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How did we bring sin upon ourselves if we were born into sin?

Also, the notion that all humans are born into sin and thereby guilty and deserving of punishment from the moment of birth brings about, by necessity, the "truth" that any infant dying goes to Hell. The preached gospel is required, as is belief, per the scripture. Since babies are incapable of such, yet are guilty of sin from birth, they must be punished. To say that one of these babies is Elect, and thereby Heaven-bound, is to negate the scriptural requirement of the preached gospel.

 

The first Adam. The representative of mankind in the garden.

Psalms 58:3 "The wicked are estranged from the womb;
they go astray from birth, speaking lies."

Psalms 51:5 "For I was born a sinner—
yes, from the moment my mother conceived me."

John the Baptist was filled with Holy Spirit in the womb. Proof that God can move in anyone at any age, at developmental stage.

 

"We" did no such thing. Adam brought sin upon us all. Your argument that all deserve the justice of hell because we rebel against God fails miserably.

We are all born with condemnation because of the curse, not because we all choose to rebel against God. If all babies are saved, then it is because of the grace and mercy of God not to hold Adam's sin against them seeing how they had no choice but to receive the curse.

So again, your argument fails that it is God's justice to condemn many because all choose to rebel. You kinda want it both ways, you want Total Depravity, which has the person condemned BEFORE they actually do anything wrong (choose to rebel), but then you want to say God is just for condemning many because they have chosen to rebel.

The fact is, mankind is condemned through Adam. Yet God in His mercy and grace has given mankind the cure for that curse, the freedom to receive Jesus Christ as Lord. Thus, those who do freely reject God have no argument against God and God is just to leave them condemned.

 

You are absolutely, 100% correct (c.f. Rom. 8:7; 1 Cor. 2:14).

No. The Bible teaches that all have sinned (Rom. 3:23) and worthy recipients of God's wrath. i.e. the second death (Rom. 6:23). We are born into a state of rebellion with God. God does not exert a special blame and punishment for those who are born in sin. God would be justified in sending everyone to perdition. But God is gracious and merciful. He saves some for reasons that only He knows.

Where these discussions always go off the rails is in misunderstanding the theological certainty of election, and our responsibility to the proclamation of the Gospel. In other words, how we are supposed to live in light of doctrine of election.

Just because I am a Calvinist does not mean I am a fatalist. It does not mean that I am part of the club and can take it easy for the rest of my life. As a Calvinist I understand that the means God uses to bring in His elect is the preaching of the Gospel. I confess that only the elect will have a positive response to the Gospel, but just who is elect is a knowledge that God withholds from me. Only God knows those whom He has called unto eternal life. I know that I am supposed to proclaim the Gospel to all, as though all could believe.

 

The desire to seek after God; does this come from within a man or by the drawing of God?

Rippon cited you two or three passages...

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”[Lu. 10:21,22]

First off, let us go back to the Garden. All of what has you frothing at the mouth is in what you deem to be unfairness in regards to who gets called. When Adam sinned, would God have been just to let everyone of us be born without ever sending Jesus? If yes, then why the angst of Him saving those who are saved? None of us were entitled to being saved, but if God does not give everyone a bona fide offer of being saved, then in your guy's eyes, God is being unjust. What if God calls 'Henry' 30 times over a 20 year period and 'Stephen' only gets one call? Is God being unfair to 'Stephen'? What if He calls someone for 50 years and one of your cousins gets one call and dies lost at the age of 92? Is God being unfair? It appears that unless God 'tries' to save everyone, He is being unfair.

For the record, God does not 'try' to save anyone. He either does it or he does not. DHK in another thread used a passage of scripture that undermined his and your guy's theology horribly. He wrote Paul's writing to the church at Rome But now that there is no more place for me to work in these regions, and since I have been longing for many years to visit you, I plan to do so when I go to Spain. I hope to see you while passing through and to have you assist me on my journey there, after I have enjoyed your company for a while.[Rom. 15:23,24] Paul had never been to Spain and the gospel had not been spread into Spain. Why do I make such a claim? Paul wrote It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation.[Rom. 15:20] So what he wrote in vss 23 and 24 shows that Paul wanted to go where Christ was not known. Many years, probably 3 or 4 decades had passed from Christ's death until this writing of Paul took place. According to some historians, Paul wrote the book of Romans ca. 56 AD. Now, Christ's death took place somewhere between AD 29-35(30-33 AD may be more accurate), so that gives about 23-26 years from His death to Paul's writing the book of Romans--and he STILL had not made it to Spain yet. So, all those who died in Spain, where Christ was not known, what happened to them? If you say they went to heaven, howso? They did not know the only Way to God, Christ.

I'll be waiting for your reply. Thanks in advance.

 

You say "we" mankind did not bring sin upon itself. The very next sentence you say Adam(a member of mankind) brought seen upon us. You contradict your self. Rendering the your argument invalid.

We are born sinful before any act was done.
"For I was born a sinner—
yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." Psalms 51:5

All have sinned. All have a sinful nature from birth. We don't learn to sin. It is a natural occurring function of humankind. We inherited this nature at the fall. We are born slaves to sin.

 

If he doesn't mind I'll answer this one.
It is typical of you, as of other Calvinists on this board to take scripture out of its context. By taking it out of its context you can make it say anything you want to say. You have a propensity of doing that. But what does the passage really teach.

Not long ago he had selected his 12 disciples. Now he had come to the place where he chose some more:
Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
--He sends them out with specific instructions which are given in the following verses.

After some time the return with joy, and the record indicates:
Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
--They had come rejoicing and Christ remarks how Satan had been defeated through the power given unto them.

Then:
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

In verse 20 they are warned not to rejoice in the power given to them but rather in the salvation given to them--that their names are written in heaven.

Take notice the context. Others were present. Immediately after what happens:
Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
--There were the lawyers, the scribes, the Pharisees, the Sadducees; all were present.

In verse 21 Jesus rejoices in the spirit and thanks the Father.
He thanks them that these things (no doubt the spiritual truths concerning himself--his deity, incarnation, Messiahship, etc.) were understood by them, these babes in Christ, but were hidden from these "wise and prudent" (the group already described).

Verse 22: "All things are delivered to me by my Father"--a direct reference to His disciples. The rest of the verse refers to the disciples. The disciples knew God the Father through Christ.
Philip asked Christ: "Show us the Father and it sufficeth us." What was the answer of Christ? "He that has seen the Son has seen the Father.

Thomas didn't believe. Jesus appeared when Thomas appeared. Then what did Thomas say? You know his response.
Verse 22 does not apply to us. He is speaking of these 70 disciples, babes in Christ, who learned of Christ just at this time by the power he gave to them. He is contrasting them to the "wise and prudent" of the world surrounding them.
Taken out of its context, you are simply butchering the scriptures.

 

Define false religion. Please back up any description with scripture.

 

Answer the question; engage in intelligent debate or I will close the thread.
As in the Cal/Arm thread, your sermon outlines and random expositions are not permitted. This is a debate forum.