**Disclaimer: I'm placing this thread here in the Calvinism/Arminianism Debate thread, though if the mods feel another forum is a better place, I will understand if it is moved.** The first of the Five Points of Calvinism, as we all know, is Total Depravity. Some, though I'm not sure how many on this board, claim that Total Depravity renders man completely incapable of seeking after God. Now, we can of course argue the true extent of Total Depravity; whether it applies only to repentance and salvation, or if it applies to all aspects of man failing to seek God. My personal experience with Calvinists has tended toward the latter, as many of the Calvinists I've spoken to in person claim that man is so depraved he cannot possibly seek after God in any aspect of his life. (NOTE: When I say "personal experience with Calvinists, I mean to say those Calvinists with whom I've spoken in person.) I'm curious what the Calvinists and non-Calvinists here think concerning the ability to seek God. I know this will probably open the door to snippiness and terseness, but I do ask that we respectfully talk about this topic, if possible. I know many supports of Calvinism turn to Romans 3:10-12 to prove Total Depravity: But all the way back in the time of David, we see the psalmist writing the following: This scripture reveals a man capable of seeking after God, and crying out to God. Jumping forward to the Gospels, we see a very specific episode found in all four Gospels. In each of these gospel stories, we see a woman who made the choice to seek after Jesus for healing, believing that Jesus could heal her. The understanding that I have of Total Depravity, per the information gleaned from speaking to Calvinists, would render this woman incapable of deciding within herself to seek after Jesus. Total Depravity would stop the psalmist from seeking after God, and crying out to God. But then we see Paul standing atop Mars' Hill in Athens, in the Areopagus, referring to the various altars and inscriptions all around him, and he launched into a sermon about the UNKNOWN GOD. In speaking to a crowd that was, in all likelihood, non-Jewish and non-Christian, Paul said the following: If man is completely incapable of seeking after God, then why would Paul, seemingly preaching in the Spirit, say that men should "seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from" them? Again, I'm curious what you guys think about this topic. I would like to keep this thread civil. Thanks in advance.