Southern Baptist Hypocrisy - Invest in the Sins of the World

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  1. BillyMac

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    It's all about the money. Just like worldly investors. No difference. The almighty dollar is the bottom line while we denounce the sins of those whom we are supporting.

    Just doesn't seem right somehow to me!!!

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    Different subject I suppose - the quoted statement by Don Allmon:
    find in the Bible where it says to love the sinner, but hate the sin. It's not there that I can find.
     
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  3. BillyMac

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    Yeah...... I went there and got directed back here. Talk about a run around....lol.

    Nonetheless, I remain stymied on this subject.

    Anyone else feel conflicted??? How do you find balance without abandoning the SBC???
     
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    If you own a Mutual Fund or have a 401k through your employer, you personally probably own some of the same things.
     
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    I have been in a similar situation where I chose to leave the denomination when I realised that things were not going to change. I grew up in the Salvation Army who run a number of welfare stores and run a secular employment agency and other stuff like that. Sometimes a number of these groups act in a way that is blatent profits driven over what I feel should be their Christian endevour.

    One example is the products sold in the stores, often books with horescopes in them or unacceptable videos that are not at all christian, I can go on and on about this, yet at the end of the day when I realised that it would not change, I decided to move on. My suggestion to SBC people is to challenge this head on and have the investment withdrawn and placed into something else. Ethical Investing is becoming more and more popular over extreme capatalism so why not look for another fund that offers a similar return that is an ethical investment.
     
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    Might this just be ABP trying to stir the pot?

    But then, if this were the CBF, I'd expect the same treatment from BP. Funny thing, how those Christians treat each other...

    As to the topic...I think its a bit disingenuous to divest of some of the stuff they've divested in years past and then come back on this topic with, "only 3% of their income is from gambling..."
     
  7. Baptist Believer

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    Very true.

    Owning stock in a cruise line does not equate to agreeing with everything that goes on on the cruises.

    Furthermore, since the SBC Annuity Board is literally a part-owner of Carnival, they can actually have a voice in company business and possibly influence the corporate decisionmaking.
     
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    BB is right. But, then, again, if $14M dollars represents a huge amount in stocks, then the SBC Annuity Board can at least demand that Gay Day cruises be stopped, or else....
     
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    14 million isn't that much relative to the over all stock market. I am not a big SBC supporter, but this just seems silly to me. Next you won't be able to own ultilities because a gay person might use electricity or want to take a bath...heaven forbid!
     
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    This is like owning Delta Air Lines Stock and learning that a Gay Group in San Fanscisco charted a Delta Jet to fly to Cancun for a frolic in the sun.

    What are you going to do?

    Sell your Delta Stock?

    As an SBC Pastor, I'm more concerned about the Gambling and drinking on board than the Gay Cruise. Those should be reasons enough to sell the holdings.
     
  12. dianetavegia

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    BillyMac said: Find in the Bible where it says to love the sinner, but hate the sin. It's not there that I can find.
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    Not word for word but it's in there. Gotta leave now but if no one else jumps in and shares scripture, I will this afternoon.

    Diane
     
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    Amen! If there is an "anything goes" attitude, why not invest in a gambling casino in Las Vegas? Or a pornography company? :rolleyes:
     
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    Diane

    You ask where in the bible are we to love the sinner? We show our love to the sinner when we share the gospel with them. When we are CONCERNED for their souls.We also share food and clothing to those in need.We are not to suppose to have the attitude that now that we are saved we should "not even be around those sinful people." Remember where you once were before God's grace found you and I.

    Christian love is NOT loving those who love us in return, but to love those who are UN loving. The sins of the sinner Christ will take care of, but reaching the lost and unsaved is our duty and our concern. We are NOW ambassadors for Christ, not secret agents.
     
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    Just like with the Baptist Foundation of Arizona, they are mixing the world with gospel. I predict their days are numbered. They claim to combat liberalism, but they are indulging in liberalism from within by compromising with the affairs of the world. Do they think God is not big enough to sustain them.
     
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    Since when does "loving" the sinner mean indulging in, partaking of, turning a blind eye to, and condoning the sin? Apples and oranges.
     
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    Our theology SHOULD "bother" our practice. If we believe alcohol is a sin, we should not invest in the company.

    Should be a "no brainer". There are hundreds of mutual funds and stock programs that are designed for conscientious investors. If you are opposed to companies that rape the envionment, invest in a green fund. If you are opposed to tobacco (probably NOT a big issue in the SBC [​IMG] ) then invest accordingly.

    It IS hypocrisy to preach against it on Sunday and pay for it on Monday.
     
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    Sounds like the SBC has been real effective over the years.

    Being effective usually brings out the detractors.

    Where to invest the money that the world has no influence? Might as well forget investing. That would include the individual Christians who invest. Even something as innocent sounding as a "green" group will have people supporting all kinds of perversions.
     
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    So why not invest in "Christian" stocks?

    There are plenty of companies out there and plenty of choices.

    Like Chik-Fila.

    Like Word publishing.

    Like Thomas Nelson.

    The list is endless.
     
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    I disagree with the analogy of a San Fran group chartering a flight on Delta. There is a difference between being open for business and selling your product to anyone and advertising that you want to promote sin. It isn't the same thing at all.
     

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