Southern Baptists & the Pre-Trib Rapture

Hi, prophecy nut, I'm missing your point.

 

Lady Eagle

I guess my intentions were to point out the fulfillment of an OT prophecy. Is this what you're looking for?

 

So you are saying that there are 3 resurrections and that the dead in Christ are or are not raised when Christ returns? That is what is so confusing about pre-trib is that it seems to run over logic.

I think that there are only 2 resurrections: the 1st at the Second Coming or return of Jesus and that is the resurrection of the good; the 2nd is the resurrection of the damned at the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth. I think that St. John says that the 1st resurrection takes place when Satan is locked up for 1000 years while Jesus reigns on earth.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

Church mouse guy: Your post is
mentioned and replied to over here:

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/28/2930/3.html#000018

 

The first resurrection refers to the redeemed. The second resurrection refers to the lost of all ages.

I Cor. 15 makes a distinction within the first resurrection like this

1. Christ
2. The first fruits (rapture)
3. Those who are his at his coming

It isn't confusing, one must simply think through the issue instead of just being a hack (CMG, I am not saying you are a hack).

 

Here's the problem why a third resurrection of the church saints is necessary.

The body of Christ of which he is the head is a single spiritual entity, indivisible and unchangeable.

God said the Church will not experience divine wrath and will be kept "from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world" (Rev.3:10).

When God's wrath comes in the day of the Lord there will be living parts of Christ body on earth. To avoid entering that day these living parts must be taken off the earth before that day begins. If the living parts are taken up to meet the Lord in the air then the parts asleep in Christ must be resurrected to join the living parts. God would not separate the living and dead in Christ, its unity must be kept intact.

The first resurrection is composed of only righteous dead at the Second Coming.

The second resurrection is composed of only wicked dead a thousand years later.

Neither the first or second resurrection has the translation of live saints.

 

Well, what all of you seem to ignore is that St. Paul says this:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

This seems to say that the living Christians are raptured and the dead in Christ are raised at the same time, which John says takes place after Satan is locked up for 1000 years, as you know.

It seems that it is being suggested that I cannot take Paul and John literally and that there are many resurrections except that the resurrection of the damned is the 2nd resurrection.

This is what makes pre-trib logic so illogical in my mind.

cmg

 

John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I don't see how this helps the pre-trib case. Because John says in

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

And the verse that is quoted from I Corinthians 15:52 by Paul says that the dead (in Christ) will be raised at the last trump--for the trumpet shall sound.

And I Thessalonians 4:16 says that the dead in Christ shall be raised first and then the living Christians raptured after a shout and the trump of God.

So it seems to me that John and Paul agree. And John says that the this is the first resurrection--the one that precedes the rapture by a split second--after Satan is locked up for 1000 years. John is very clear that this is the first resurrection. And the resurrection of the damned is not until the thousand years are finished, John says.

I don't know of anyone who says that both good and evil are raised at the same time.

 

Now you seem to be saying that there are 4 resurrections. You seem to be saying that the resurrection of Jesus is the 1st one; an unbiblical pre-trib resurrection is the 2nd one; the post-trib resurrection is the 3rd one; and the resurrection of the damned is the 4th.

That is what is wrong with pre-trib. It is confusing and reads much into The Holy Bible that cannot be pointed to verse by verse.

John says that the first resurrection happens just after Satan is locked up for 1000 years. That settles it for me.

Paul says that the 1st resurrection occurs just before the rapture of living Christians.

The 2nd resurrection--of the damned--happens at the end of the 1000 years.

Pre-trib doctrine is confusing and illogical. It came into the church from Darby and Pentecostalism, which has always been weak on doctrine. Pre-trib rests on emotionalism and convoluted explanations in my opinion. We have an idea what the anti-Christ will be like from the history of the many anti-Christs who have lived. I think that there is a good chance that the anti-Christ will be the Pope.