Speaking in Tongues- What is it?

DHK: "If speaking in tongues is of the Holy Spirit why are there "hundreds" of experiences such as these, many of them documented??//

That is an interesting comparison: comparing 100s of
documented experiences with millions of undocumented
legitimate experiences.

BTW, is the Spiritual Gift of Discernment granted
today as it was in the first century?
The Spiritual Gift of Discernment is the supernatural
ability to discern if a spirit is from God, from
Satan, or just a human thing.

 

SEE HERE

I hope this answers your question once and for all. If speaking in tongues is of the Holy Spirit why are there "hundreds" of expeiences such as these, many of them documented??
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]What is the name of the Church in Jamaca?
Where is the page number for the Chineese man?

 

I gave you the name of the website which also has the name of the person who went to Jamaica. If you don't find the name of the church in Jamaica, and feel like calling the said person a liar, and his testimony false, then I suggest that you email him and ask him the name of the church, and any other verifiable information that you want.

As for the Chinese man that incident came from Claudia, not me. Ask her.

Truthfully, are computer illiterate? Can you not find out these things for yourself on your own computer? Do you know how to use a search engine? Or are you so blind to see the truth, that you want to remain blind in your obstinacy to the truth, no matter how much truth is presented to you.
DHK

 

That is the point entirely isn't Ed. Speaking in tongues isn't of the Holy Spirit. If anything it is of another spirit, but not the Holy Spirit.
DHK

 

Dk&h
I already ask Claudia in a post to document her story.
You are the one that stuck your nowe into this and since you did I have challenged you to produce.
There are millions of articles on the internet. Which is where you obviously live. I do not value your recomendations as to what i will look up.
(personal attack edited)

[ June 17, 2005, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

Why are you so afraid of going to the site itself which documents what went on in Jamaica and ask the author for the further documentation that you insist that you need. You pester me for such information, but are afraid to go to the source yourself. I point this out to you because I don't want to play your game. If you want information either find it on the internet, in books, or by asking intelligent asking questions. Badgering, intolerant, insulting, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. I suggest you take time to reread the rules of posting here, before you answer this post. I don't want to be compelled to delete it.
DHK

 

DHK wrote,
**That is the point entirely isn't Ed. Speaking in tongues isn't of the Holy Spirit. If anything it is of another spirit, but not the Holy Spirit.**

This is the danger of opposing gifts of the Spirit. At the very least, you are tredding a fine line close to blasphemy. The Bible clearly teaches that the apostles spoke in tongues when they were filled with the Holy Spirit. It does not say that they were filled with some other Spirit when they did this. To genericaly condemn speaking in tongues as you have done, is to condemn the apostles. Remember that words spoken against the Spirit cannot be forgiven in this age or in the age to come. What you are doing is very foolish. This is not a topic where it is wise to push the edge of the envelope.

Also, you arguments against tongues that you are posting hold no weight. So what if there are counterfeits of speaking in tongues? Any thinking, experienced tongue-speaking Christian would have to be open to this possibility. The early Christians may have been aware of false tongues in their day, since there were probably demonic ramblers going around. It is clear from scripture that demons can speak through people in foreign languages-- foreign to us, as the modern English language had not developed at that time. (Germanic was probably just getting on its feet.)

So what if Jamaican pagans do something similar to speaking in tongues, or if demons speak through people in real foreign languages at times? That does not detract from the true speaking in tongues by the Spirit that the apostles did, any more than it detracts from the reality of the gift today.

 

cinding2 wrote
**I don't believe the Holy Spirit would give a gift that just anyone could counterfeit.**

It is interesting that you should make such a comment when the rest of your post is supporting the idea that modern speaking in tongues is counterfeit. If you did not believe the gift can be counterfeited, you would accept all alleged speaking in tongues as authentic. I doubt those who speak in tongues on this forum would agree with that extreme view.

 

DHK: "Speaking in tongues isn't of the Holy Spirit."

THE HOLY BIBLE, 1Co 14:37-39 (KJV1611):
If any man thinke himselfe to be a Prophet,
or spiritual, let him acknowledge, that the things
that I write vnto you, are the commandements of the Lord.
38 But if any man bee ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore brethren, couet to prophesie,
and forbid not to speake with tongues.

 

Where does the Bible even mention a tongue that comes from demons. Should the experience of a Chinese laundry man or missionary to Jamaica become the basis for doctrine? The basis for rejecting a Biblical gift?

[ June 18, 2005, 12:15 AM: Message edited by: Link ]

 

This is fruitless......for all the negative documents about tongues that can and can't be verified. (To me the Bible should have the authority and be good enough as to if tongues are real? But that would still be anybody's opinion depending on their belief. )

As for my opinion about the comment that Claudia made about people being told they can't be saved without speaking in tongues......that is very sad for those who believe this. Yes I speak/sing/pray in tongues, but I know that tongues are a gift and would never, never tell someone they couldn't be saved without it. For those who have bought into this type of church who says that you have to speak in tongues.... John 3:16 plainly says.... For God so loved the world that he sent his only beggoten son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. It doesn't say you got to speak in tongues to be saved, just believe in Jesus. God is always on time and if you are meant to have the gift of tongues it'll come in God's timing. In the mean time praise God with the tongue you have and be thankful for what you have.

Music4Him

 

What is sad is those those that don't beleive things like this happen even when there is irrefutable information that they do. Claudia described one instance of many that she had heard. Keep that in mind.

I have also relaeted in detail a similar instance two or three times of a well meaning individual (Charismatic Christian) who happened to be speaking in Greek "I love the devil" over and over again." I don't like to post the details of this any more because people like atestring will get on my case and ask for names, places, church names, names of individuals involved, etc. And when all that information is not given he resorts to the most ungodly name-calling, some of which I have been compelled to delete. Is this fair? Is it fair to bring up a verifiable incident and then be falsely accused as a liar, when one doesn't know the facts in question. What atestring fails to realize that in this country there are what we call "Privacy Laws," where if people do not want their names spread all over the internet they have the perfect right to keep anonymous. That is precisely why my moniker is DHK. It gives me some sense of anonyminity. And yet atestring demands that the names of the people involved in such incidents be spread all over the internet when these individuals specifically say NO! But Atestring doesn't understand that no means no.

I have had enough needling and badgering of this subject. You people can call me a liar. But I tell you the truth. I have witnessed it myself first hand: well meaning people thinking they are speaking in tongues, and worshiping the devil instead.

And this is precisely what Paul was speaking of in 1Cor.12:1-3

1 Corinthians 12:1-3 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

If you have problems figuring out what Paul is saying here let me know.
DHK

 

dkh,

Is it wrong to challenge an accusation like the vancouver greek scholar and the chineese man and jamacian stories.
These are serious accusations!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you really believe them, shouldn't you want them documented in case you were challenged??

I do not understand accusations that say ;that those who speak in tongues are of the devil, while you have been quoted to say that there are people that speak in tongues and you believe that they can give clear evidence of salvation.

 

dkh,
If you don't want ot document these claims then that is your right.
I do not believe such claims that cannot be challenged .
Anybody can make claims.
What if I said that Bible Baptist in canada are a group that uses profanity and takes God's name in vain constantly ?
Would you want proof or would you expect people on this board to believe it because i said so?
What if I then said , I want release my proof because of privacy reasons?

 

Beware
There is no rule on this board that says that you have to document anything.
Dear Bb members keep this in mind and do not believe everything that is said or a link that happens to be on the internet.
Any nut on the internet can post anything they please.
This is my last statement on this thread.

 

Amen, Brother Atestring -- Preach it!

 

Can any BB member go around saying that atestring belongs to a Satanist church and offers up human sacrifices?
You just said there is no rule I have to document everything. That may be true. But there is a rule about false accusations, which you continue to make. There is a rule attacking people as liars, which you continue to do. You have over-steppped your bounds.
DHK

 

While waiting at Wal-Mart today, a very loud woman on her cell phone proceeded to explain the different 'kind' of tongues 'spirit filled' people will get and how speaking in tongues was 'a step up to another level' in being filled with the Holy Spirit, according to HER pastor. She proclaimed that HER tongues was heavenly tongues but some women in their church just speak in tongues which isn't as special as hers....

 

He went to Jamaica himself. He reported what he saw. You call into question his integrity on the internet where everyone can see it. That is slanderous and unethical, and if said person were to be reading this you could be sued. Go to the site, and email him and have your questions answered and verified. Why is that so hard for you to do. I gave you the link. Or, is because you delight in defaming people. If this type of action goes on I believe it ought to be brought to the board's attention. Defamatory and accusatory remarks without cause is totally unwarranted, and is cause for libel. It is an attack on the person to discredit their reputation. It is cause to bring a lawsuit against such a one. You have a channce to make things right with that brother whom you have defamed. I suggest you do it.
DHK

 

Yet another reason to stay away from Wal-Mart.