Special Needs Kid Voted Out Of Class By Fellow Kindergartners

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=103693
    Special Needs Kid Voted Out Of Class By Fellow Kindergartners

    CBS: Melissa Barton says Morningside Elementary teacher Wendy Portillo had her son's classmates say what they didn't like about 5-year-old Alex. She says the teacher then had the students vote, and voted Alex, who is being evaluated for Asperger's syndrome -- an autism spectrum disorder -- out of the class by a 14-2 margin.
     
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    Absolutely disgusting. The teacher should be fired immediately. The parents should sue for violation of Alex's rights to an appropriate education.
     
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    CLICK HERE for another case of a kindergarten teacher gone berzerk.
     
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    Ridiculous and also sad.
     
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    I agree whole heartidly!!!
     
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    :applause: Right on!
     
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    not that simple. We have "children" in the school system who are dangerous mental cases. The Seattle School District has a law suit involving a junior high kid who is so dangerous that he has a specially trained person assigned to guard him during the school day. One day the guard was sick so the school assigned a substitute to guard the kid. After the substitute guard got out of the hospital . . . she refused to work in that school and the school board threatened to fire her so the union is suing.

    There was another kid in a school district south of Seattle that was so dangerous that the school district paid $125k to send him to a special school in Pennsylvania. He was too dangerous for them so they sent him back to WA. Don't know what happened after that.
     
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    These are not teenage delinquents. They are 5-year-olds in kindergarten.
     
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    I noticed he moves his head like a retarded kid,talks to himself, stimulates himself with noise, and won't sit still for his mother.
    She says he eats crayons.
    Basically, he's a retarded kid in a class with normal 5 year olds. I wonder how THAT happened :rolleyes:
    He probably acts more like an animal than a 5 year old boy. Still, it's a sad situation. He looks like a nice kid.

    Parents here feel they can "bend " the system to accomodate their retarded children's needs. They demand their kids be with other higher level children(even normal kids) while expecting the school system to provide one on one personal aides to control their childs outbursts and radical behavior.

    This has practically bankrupt our schools. Even when the school accomodates these parents, they often end up suing the school district.

    If he was in the class he is suited for, he would have more freedom to be himself. He would be with other autistics, downs syndrome, developmentally delayed kids. Could roam the classroom freely. A classroom set up to accomodate his special needs. A class without safety scissors he can grab and try to stab another kid's eye out with. Autistics are usually more hyper than other kids.

    Imo, his personal one on one Aide spends her time keeping him quiet, taking dangerous items out of his reach so the rest of the class can learn. With that behavior, he must have an aide.

    This is not fair to the other kids, or to the Teacher.

    If he doesn't have an Aide, though I think he must, then that class is a zoo. No one is learning a thing with him there, and it is a safety hazard. The Teacher is pobably pulling her hair out.

    I don't think I "buy" this Mother's story.

    We used to have an Autistic neighbor boy we would babysit for. He had a few special abilities. You could ask him what day Feb 20th was in 1942 and he could tell you. He loved it when we got old calendars at yard sales and asked him what day his birthday fell on in some prior year. He was always correct.
    He also did puzzles really fast!
    Normal people pick up a piece then try to fit it in the spot. When he would see me pick up a piece, he would look at it and tell me yes or no before I was able to try to fit it in the spot. He layed the pieces down flat, and only grabbed one if it actually fit.
     
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    If he's that bad, shouldn't there be a special class where he can actually learn, and the teacher is trained and knows how to work with him. Wouldn't that much better for him.
     
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    I am glad you added the "nice kid" bit.

    I have taught for getting close to thirty years, I have six children and we are getting ready to have our third grandchild. I have rarely met a five year old who could sit as quietly as this child did for a whole five minutes. Most five year olds, especially bored still by an adult conversation, would have been busting to get loose. I think he did a great job of sitting still. "Acting more like an animal?" Seriously Joe, that is a bridge too far.

    I now teach literacy to teens in one of the most crime ridden areas of Dublin. These kids have all had to leave school for various reason. Many are in trouble with the law. Most are at least casual drug users. Their behaviour can be deplorable.

    Yet, I have never attacked a child's character. There is NO excuse to call a child pathetic and to turn his classmates against him. Deal with behaviour. I am not one who thinks that all behaviour need be dealt with privately, those causing a scene by their public behaviour can have that behaviour dealt with publicly.

    All teachers had bad days - I understand that. But if a teacher cannot handle a "bad day" without attacking a child's character, calling him names, and turning his classmates against him they have no business in the classroom.

    The tragic state of education may well be a topic for discussion - but that state of affairs does not excuse the reprehensible behaviour in either story.
     
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    Oh,yeah. I did see that news clip yesterday, I think. I can't believe a grown woman could be so unbelievably cruel, and a teacher, at that. It was just awful. Obviously he did understand what was happening, but wasn't able to cope with it in any way. I don't think I would be, either. It would just be devestating.

    love,

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    At 5 he shouldn't have to be able to cope with something like that. I hope they fire that teacher. And test the boy to see if he needs help, or if he's just normal and she didn't like him.
     
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    I think, as a mother of boys close in age, I would just be screaming on the inside. I just might, after I had finally gotten my sobbing child to sleep that night, pay her a little visit and rip her beating heart right out of her chest. Would that be too much to ask?

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    You have apparently misunderstood again, wow, you're on a roll....
    If I remember right, this is where I explain yet you will not except the explanation.
    I'll let it be.
     
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    Joe, Joe, Joe. <shakes head>

    If you had one of these children, you would better understand the need for "bending the system".

    It used to be that such children were shuffled off to institutions to be forgotten about. I'm certain you don't believe we should return to such neglect.

    There are situations when a child is to violent for a normal classroom and in that situation the schools need the flexiblity to educate such a child in an environment better suited to it's needs. In most cases a child with disablities is not violent, but has needs that normal children do not. Some are slower in their ability to learn, some are in wheel chairs but are of normal intelligence, some have hearing losses, some are chronically ill (with diseases such as epilepy, arthritis, migraine, cancer) and some are mentally retarded and will never reach the full potential of their peers. Which of these would you pull out and educate separately?

    How would you ensure that those children you pulled out were adequetely educated? How are you going to teach the normal children how to relate to their disabled peers and vice versa when they may never meet.

    Sorry, I lived through the period where all children with handicapps were "educated" separately. Most of them recieved little or no education unless their parents could afford a private education. Hmmm, we as a country decided long ago that all children deserve and education. How do you suppose it was that all meant everyone that was normal?

    We are still trying to fix the disparity. Parents with disabled children face challenges other parents can't even comprehend in trying to raise those children to become productive adults. It is not "bending" the system to expect that the public school system provide the same education to our children that it provides to everyone else.

    And even the school system was providing "more" resources for this particular kindergatener, this teacher had no business demeaning him or any other child in the class! If you choose to teach, you need to enter the job understanding what you might encounter. If you aren't willing to deal with such children don't teach!!!

    If you haven't guessed yet, I am the parent of two chronically ill children, who have attended public school. The eldest suffers from arthritis and migraine, the second from intractable migraine (migraines that don't respond to normal treatments). They sometimes miss more time from school than they attend. But the eldest is gifted and the second is above average. Do you believe that my children should be educated seperately because sometimes they are in too much pain to attend school or are so busy controling the pain that they have few resources left to focus?
     
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    "you have apparently misunderstood again, wow, you're on a roll....
    If I remember right, this is where I explain yet you will not except the explanation.
    I'll let it be."


    Joe! It seems that I also misunderstood you, and would be grateful if you were to tender that explaination you have. As the grandmother of an autistic 11 year old, I would love to read it.
    Gwyneth

    PS Autism is a neurological problem, not psycological , (they are not
    retarded )
     
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    I will surely admit Joe that your reasoning mystifies me here.
     
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    It doesn't matter why he was there, it doesn't matter what rules got bent or did not get bent, what matters is this situation was handled inappropriately by the teacher. In fact her ability to teach needs to be questioned.
     
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    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1131025&postcount=87

    My wife is a Special Ed teacher. She substitued until she got on permanently. I was a Substitute Teachers Assistant at age 18-21. We BOTH worked for our County Office Of Education. We had our son fairly early, we still had to finish college, though she had a jump start.

    During this time, I worked with many types ofspecial ed kids. Planned for this job while attending High School. I learned how to use sign language, and other skills I can't remember offhand. The more skills, the higher the pay. I also attended College some evenings.

    After our son was born, we did respite care for a few Autistic Children, at the same time. It was wonderful, and great pay. I did most of the work, my wife was in College at the time. It paid our rent. Both sets of parents agreed it was fine for me to watch both kids together and our toddler. They were wonderful. They fit into our family routine, ate over for dinner, sometimes spent the night, etc..

    After a while, you can usually watch a child for a minute or so and notice things about him.
    It is easy to see this child, from this video, does not belong in a class with children so high cognitively that he was voted out. The school system would not allow this. This was done by an overbearing parent, whom does not realize or care that the destruction this kid causes in class, just the mumbling to himself to drownd out whatever Autistics seem to have going on in their mind, is interruptive to the other students learning.

    My wife came home elated once because she got her (first grade or kindergardener,can't remember) Autistic boy integrated into a regular kindergarden class for an hour or so a day. This is wonderful! All the kids enjoyed him, and she got a break. Her kids weren't labeled as grades, but this child would have been about the age of a kindergardener or first grader. She kept her same kids in class for like 3-4 years at a time.
    I have never seen an autistic who is predicatable. Maybe this is why I like them (We could have done respite care for any kind of child). But when you plce this type of kid in a class with others of higher cognitive ability, they can drag down the whole class. Never met a violent autistic, but the do jump and sometimes scream, or run unexpectidly.

    I can see this child's problems by viewing the video. You can bet it's the mothers doing of forcing her son in this class. Btw, that kindergarden class is probably technically "a special ed class", but obviously with much higher functioning students.

    I don't believe the parent over the Teacher, as you all seem to do. The Teacher is probably not allowed to defend herself in the media.

    My wife has came home crying over these overbearing parents. They often lie. Yearly IEP's were dereaded and looked forward to at the same time.

    I have asisted in my wife's class to keep it "safe", when some animal of a child came in. Poor kid, telling him to sit down and expecting things of him that he is unable to do is not fair. It is caging a child like this.

    I have ADD, and can't sit for very long. And dyslexia. Maybe that is why I like Autistic kids, is they have it going on, but it's like there is too much stimulation in their minds for them to accomplish what they need to. My aunt is down syndrome, we had her birthday yesterday.

    I have gone on field trips with her class because some parent pushed their special ed kid on her, and he didn't belong there. And this type of kid takes so much more attention and care, that my wife worries over their safety. So sometimes I would go with her to work to give her a break.

    Because of these parents, she left and has taught at Juvenille Hall for the last few years. No parents to deal with, and the kids are great. She loves them. When I was a Teachers Aide years ago, I worked mostly in Juvenille Hall.

    So I will not back up an overbearing parent making accusations at a Teacher which look more to be false than true. If I wasn't married to a Teacher, and had a different background, then I might view it differently.

    It's sad you all assume the Teacher played a part in this. The kids probably voted him out, by looking at his eyes, he is probably very hyper. Probably needs to run, that is what we did with our autistics in class. Something is wrong when kids vote out another child in class. His mother says he has one friend in class, that's just sad.

    There could be more to the story. Around here, there is only ONE class for the parents kids to go. And if the Teacher is a nut, then I can see her wanting to move her child elsewhere. And maybe this class is the closest to this boys needs.

    If this Teacher did something this awful, she should be fired. He may be autistic, but I have NEVER met an autistic who didn't know what you were saying, even though many babble on in front of them as if they don't understand.

    Kids need to be in a class with other kids their own cognitive level. By the time a whole kindergarden class votes out another child, I would say he probably has some serious behavior issues. But we don't know if the Teacher instigated it or what. There are so many things we don't know about this child's abilities vs the other kids, how he got into the class etc..
     
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