Featured Specific threats to Christians about losing eternal life!

Your pity is unjustified.

 

Interesting....

I find it both revealing and interesting how all you "you can lose it" guys have totally ignored the only post in this thread that actually makes any balanced scriptural sense...the one on pg.6 by bro. Biblicist. I guess some are just too dedicated to riding their pet hobby horses. Real Biblical truth is actually hard to refute so if one is going to pursue a "pet" doctrine I guess it is best to ignore a sound one. Some just don't wish to be confused by the truth. Sad....but true.

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

I echo the words of John...

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

No doubt that the saved will continue to be saved. They are sealed until the day of redemption of the purchased possession.

We love Him, because He first loved us.

We can never stop loving Him, because we have His Spirit and His Word that reminds us daily of His great love wherewith He loved us. We have His Holy Spirit that assures us of His presence in our daily walk... even in times of trial. We can never stop believing in Him because of His work of Salvation that He has performed in our lives.

 

Your welcome! However, these posters have a dogma to defend, and there is little hope apart from the intervening grace of God they will leave their opinions.

 

Scripture is not clear on this matter. Or perhaps I should say that scripture is contradictory on the matter. If scripture gave us a clear message we would not be having this debate because no Christian wants to go against scripture. In order to advance either position, you have to discount, ignore or contort certain passages. So it really boils down to which tradition you are going to follow, the OSAS tradition or the "fall from grace" tradition.

For me, I believe we have free will and can exclude the Holy Spirit any time we ask Him to leave us. I also believe that a sizeable number of people do just that. So I guess that says what side of the debate I am on.

 

Sure, blame it on God! No, the problem is not scripture but with your interpretations of scripture. None of these texts when properly exegeted deny eternal salvation of God's elect.

 

Indeed, but only if you really believe your exegesis is proper. You know your scripture very well, and I admire that, but you don't know it any better than the best scholars in the other camp who would say they are right and you are wrong. No matter what you may say about this, you are coming from a tradition that believes in OSAS (or whatever other name you want to give it) and that has to color your way of looking at things.

So, Biblicist, the bottom line is why should I regard your interpretation as the right interpretation?

 

1. There are no scriptures that explicity state that a true born again child of God can be unborn - no, not one.

2. There are scriptures that teach there are false professing Christians - Mt. 13 "tares" -one "good" soil out of four, etc. Indeed, look at Mormons, JW's, etc. and you can clearly see there are "good" but false professors preaching another gospel. This should be obvious.

3. Salvation is not one dimensional but is multi-dimensionals because it is designed for the salvation of the WHOLE person who is multi-dimensional. There is a past tense dimension, a future tense dimension, a present tense dimension that deal with different aspects of human nature. This should be obvious even if you are a dichotomist as you have an immaterial and material aspect of human nature. The future tense refres to the material aspect. However, the present tenise is much more complex and distinct than either. Those who oppose OSAS confuse these different aspects. Confuses the cause and effect relationships. Confuse the immediate application and future goals of each. Total confusion! It is at this precise point that multitudes of Scriptures are misapplied, confused and misinterpreted as they take present tense and apply it to future or past tense or vice versa.

4. One misapplication/misinterpretation leads to other misintepretations that distort the whole area of savlation and the nature of man.

5. I recommend you read my little booklet "What Is Man?" for a clear understanding of these distinctions -

http://www.victorybaptistchurchchehalis.com/uploads/What_is_Man.pdf

 

Jesus said He would lose none. -- John 6:39. The contradictory theologies to this are man made fallacies.

I expect some 'billy goat religion' to ensue: 'But, but, but...'

'Nuff said.

 

Those are good texts - and 1Cor 9 makes the case well

27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached (the Gospel) to others,
I myself should become disqualified (from it).

But you must also quote it in context with the all-important vs 23.

23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you. 24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached (the gospel) to others, I myself should become disqualified (from it).


Paul preached the Gospel - and he desire was to be a "partaker of it WITH you" and his fear was that w/o that discipline and focus - he might be "disqualified" from that very Gospel that he was preaching.


Paul also states this idea of striving to ensure salvation - in his letter to Timothy.


1 Tim 4


13 Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching. 14 Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery. 15 Take pains with these things; be absorbed in them, so that your progress will be evident to all. 16Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.


These texts leave no room for a false-gospel of "peace and safety" - instead they point to real peace and safety.

God's blessings.

in Christ,

Bob

 

At Least....

Well Bro.Biblicist....at least they aren't ignoring you now:tongue3:.


Bro.Greg:saint:

 

He was already a partaker of the gospel! He was talking about his unique calling given to him AFTER BEING SAVED which had its own reward if faithful to that calling. He had been called to preach the gospel. Not all believers are called to preach the gospel. Christians are gifted differently for different callings, but in each case there is reward for faithfulness to their own specific calling. This calling is not their salvation. However, you dont' care about the context, you just care about defending your false gospel of justification by works.

Notice he is not speaking of initial gospel salvation but rather those "things" and "teaching" that has to do with the manner of how he lives or his "progess." Note the words "progress in them" or practicing the teachings that deal with Christian living. This has nothing to do with his regeneration or glorification but with the redemption of the "time" between regeneration and glorification. This is what Paul describes in Ephesians 5:16 or "redeeming the time" through submission to the Holy Spirit (Eph. 5:18). He is referring to the salvation of the "life" in the form of "good works" which will be manifested by "rewards" (1 Cor. 3:15-16).

You don't understand that salvation is designed for the WHOLE person and a human being is not simply a one-dimensional being. There is a past, present and future tense for the salvation of each dimension of human nature. There is a different consequence of the salvation of each.

In regard to the salvation of the "soul/life" it can be lost and saved DAILY and what aspect is redeemed or the "time" redeemed has its consequence in "reward" in heaven not entrance into heaven.

 

I'm glad God loves me enough to give me the freedom to choose to love Him freely and the freedom to stay loyal to Him, or to reject Him. Love and loyalty are not love and loyalty when their is no choice involved.

So, all of you determinists can disparage me and others who believe like me all you want. It doesn't say much for your spiritual maturity, however.

And one thing I can always fall back on: The original English Baptists believed you could forfeit your salvation. The Particulars, who came later, were the interlopers.

There are just as many scriptures and even more that support the free will position than do the determinist position, and they cannot be explained away no matter how hard you try. But really this subject has been talked to death, and I hope and will try to make this my last post on it.

 

I love Him because He first loved me.

I believe Him because I have His Spirit and His Word that strengthen my faith daily.

I could never reject Him because I know in my heart His great love for me.

One who can reject the Lord is one who was never truly convinced of who the Lord is and what He did for Him.

 

Will you still have this choice to reject Him after you enter into eternal life?

 

Incredible!!!

While I'm no huge fan of modern academia and particularly not those who hold "honorary" degrees and think that putting the title "Dr." in front of their name somehow makes them more "credible".....OR somehow superior to anybody else......I do think that some respect is due to people who have "paid their dues" and sacrificed to study and prepare themselves for full time Christian ministry or service or any other worthy vocation that they believe God has led them into. Your post does nothing but potentially "throw them ALL under the bus". That is terribly unwise. You have demonstrated a classic example of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater!" Incredible.....! Did you even READ the brothers book before you rejected it out of hand? Probably not. Basically, what you are saying is that an educated man can't possibly be spiritual or teach sound spiritual truth....THAT IS LUDICROUS!!:BangHead:

Bro.Greg:saint: