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Specter wins fifth term in Senate, will chair Judiciary Committee

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  1. JGrubbs

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    "I'm here to say it as plainly as I can: Arlen Specter is the right man for the United States Senate,"

    --George W. Bush
     
  2. Pennsylvania Jim

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    It should be but it won't. They will twist the truth and defend anything Bush does. Meanwhile, babies are dying at approximately 4000 per day. But, who cares, the GOP swept the election.
     
  3. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Debby, Scott answered your question. Any comments?
     
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    1) Bush will comply.
    2) Evangelical Christians will make excuses.
    3) Jeb will run in 2008, with enthusiastic support from Evangelican Christians.
    4) In 2012 the abortion laws will be substantially unchanged.
    5) Evangelical Christians will enthusiastically support "J" for re-election.
    6) In 2016, abortion laws will remain substantially unchanged.
    7) In defense of continued support of the GOP, Christians will say "You have to start somewhere".
     
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    No one is twisting the truth about Specter! I know full well Specter's position on abortion and judges and I know full well his record. Part of his record you ignore. If Arlen Specter had not come to the defense of Clarence Thomas, Thomas would not be on the Supreme Court today. Clarence Thomas is one of the most conservative justices on the court today, he is pro-life, and he is the type of justice that Bush has said publicly that he will nominate. So there is precedent to believe that Specter MAY throw his weight behind a judge who is conservative. I can tell you this for certain, no one who has a paper trail of writing a pro-life position will be nominated to the Supreme Court. Bush will nominate justices who have a principled position that is consistent with the pro-life position (i.e. against the precedent of Roe vs. Wade) and hope they come through. If that is the case, if the nominee has a conservative record but no paper trail on abortion, Specter is quite likely to support them. You guys are so blinded by your ideology that you cannot see nor accept a more subtle strategy which will lead to your goals. You need to wise up!
     
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    I certainly hope so, swaimj.
     
  7. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Debby, Scott answered your question. Any comments? </font>[/QUOTE]Debby?
     
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    That may have worked, we don't know. But I couldn't see electing Hoeffel. The Republicians have to get rid of him so that he doesn't make the ballot. Term limits would be nice.
     
  9. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Swaimj, can we leave out arguments over who is smartest? I'm in no contests.

    You are proposing that we find judges who are pro-life, and have lived in the academic and judicial world for probably thirty years or more, and have never stated their position? Where do you figure someone like that exists?

    The liberals don't run around like cowards. They state their position, and then push for it. That's why they will win.
     
  10. JGrubbs

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    Specter voted against a slew of conservative Reagan appointees, including Jeff Sessions, Brad Reynolds and Robert Bork.

    Luckily for the country, Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court a year before Specter was up for re-election, or Specter would have voted against him as well. After supporting Thomas, Specter turned around and started bellyaching that Thomas was a "disappointment".

    Don't hope for any more election-year conversions if Specter is re-elected, he will be 80 years old by the end of the term.

    Source: Human Events
     
  11. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Ah, so what, he's a Republican, that's all that really matters.
     
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    Which goes to show you that Specter will often bow to political pressure. Bush will apply pressure to get his Supreme Court nominee in.
     
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    He only bowed when it could have cost him re-election. He has nothing to loose now.
     
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    Note this statement which appears HERE on Senator Specter's website
    I heard about this listening to talk radio on the way home from work in Philly tonite. According to the host, Senator Santorum confronted Specter about his earlier comments on President Bush's judicial nominations, so Specter backed down and issued the above statement in which he DENIES the earlier comments. Senator Specter won the republican primary in PA because of the endorsement of Santorum and the President. He is in their debt. WHOEVER President Bush appoints to the bench will be personally escorted through the process by Senator Specter. You can count on it! So STOP with the handwringing, guys. You are WINNING! [​IMG]
     
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    Wouldn't it have been better to have a Senator who was actually convinced abortion was wrong, than one who was being pushed into cooperation?

    Wouldn't it have been better to have a president who would actually promise to make abortion a consideration in choosing nominees?

    Wouldn't it have been better to have a president who actually opposed abortion, than one who favors abortion, with exceptions?
     
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    Yes, Galation, we all look forward to the millenium when righteousness will reign. Until then, we have to settle for Republicans.
     
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    Considering how important evangelical conservatives were to President Bush and the Republican Party on Tuesday, they should reward these voters by not giving Senator Specter the Judiciary Committee chairmanship.
     
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    Remember, Bush agrees with Spector on abortion in some cases.

    "Settling for Republicans" means the killing will continue.
     
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    Poor Arlen, the ultimate lawyer/politician. He spouted off at the wrong moment, before he was appointed. He must have been drunk with power after having won the election. He revealed too much as will happen when one is that way.

    Hopefully the selection committee will see him as he really is and not put him in such a key role in this crucial time.

    I remember a few years ago when there was a rumor that he was switching parties to become a democrat; quite a few people believed it, most were not surprised. It turned out to be just a rumor but a believable one at that.

    Rob
     
  20. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Yeah, Christians are supposed to promote mediocrity.

    I'm glad that the founding fathers held a different theology than that.
     
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