I didn't want to contribute to the derailing of the other thread, so my response is here. WHERE?? "man's plans" -- no decision made here "BUT God determines his steps"-- steps are determined by God, not man. The BUT in the verse makes it clear, that God is ultimately in control of what event actually takes place. "plans in a man's heart"--notice there is no action taken yet, they are still "plans in the heart" "BUT it is God's purposes"(plans) that prevail, (actually happen). Again, "man's plans" versus God's purposes" only one prevails. God does as He pleases with people. God does it, not man and no one can say, "Hey what are doing?". No mention of your position that "man is making a decision" This is one of the most damaging verses to the non-Calvinist position. No one but God can speak and have something happen if God has not already determined it will happen. No mention of "man's decisions" here. Who decides when someone is born, when they die and the exact place where they love? God, not man. Man's most basic elements are determined by God. Birth, death, and home. Man has no say in any of these. where do the passages state that God "overrides" man's decisions? God's plan is carried out by man's choices. Christ's death as described in Acts 2:23? done by man at God's "set purpose and foreknowledge". Acts 2:28? "They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen". Man's choices conforming to God's plans. Free choices of man? Yes, in that man needed no coercion by God to crucify Christ, the wickedness of their hearts caused them to do that which God had decreed would happen. where did you say that exactly? I don't think you did. To be honest, I'm not expecting a reply of any substance (meaning dealing with each verse). Non-calvinists don't like to discuss these types of passages. 2 Peter 3:9. John 3:16 and the like are usually what they want to quibble over. But I'm putting a reply forth because it helps me in my understanding and perhaps it may help someone else.