I will start this thread by quoting a portion of DHK's(I know you have been occupying a lot of my time lately, but you will grow to appreciate me )post from another thread. He repeatedly states that 'death means separation', and while that may be true, there really is more to it than just separation. As he has used many times, it states As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.[Jas. 2:26] Lazarus was physically dead because his spirit had left his body, and thereby, making his physical body lifeless. No amount of crying 'get up', no amount of pleading 'please wake up' will cause his body to hear their voices. Why? The body is dead. Now, let us look a little deeper into spiritual death. As God told Adam “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”[Gen. 2:16b,17] After Adam and Eve ate of that tree, they died spiritually. I am sure all are in agreement up to 'here'. What caused them to spiritually die? The obvious answer is sin, but it is deeper, much deeper than that, in my opinion. The Tree of Life was there and they could freely eat of that. It was their Life source. Once they rebelled and sinned, God thrusted them out of the Garden, therefore, their Life Source was cut off and 900+ years later they physically died. The reason why sinners are spiritually dead is they are cut off from God, who is the only source of Spiritual life. The body without the spirit within it, is dead. The spirit of man without God's Spirit is dead. As Paul wrote For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God, [Col. 3:3] and also I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.[Gal. 2:20] So death may be 'separation', but to stop there is faulty hermeneutics. It is death, unable to respond to the gospel without God's intervention.