In another thread, I mentioned that I was doing some level of ministry with ritualistic abuse individuals. Several asked that I start a new thread about the issue, so here it is. I placed this thread in the pastoral ministry section of the forum because I really do not intend to debate theology on this topic, but I am sure the debate will come anyway -- it always does -- mods can help with that, and at least work to hold this topic down to a dull roar in the background as we talk about actual pastoral counseling practice in the spiritual warfare that is ritual abuse counseling. By way of background, I am actively working with an individual (actually several now) who have been in this sort of scenario. Because of the EXTREME SENSITIVITY of this issue, I will be intentionally vague about details, recounting issues in the individuals' lives, and other things that might point them out in society or be hurtful if discovered. They WANT their story told, but in a way that does not cause more harm, and I have found that a very difficult task at best. Here is the basic life story of the main individual that I am seeing... This person was intentionally adopted into a satanic ritualistic (pagan) family for the express purpose of using the individual as an object, toy, tool or other slave-like condition not in keeping with either our culture or any semblance of biblical practice. The process of indoctrination was planned, involved, purposeful, intentionally debasing and harmful, and expressly for the purpose of creating a human automaton who would do whatever perverse or degrading thing was needed at the time to satisfy a ritual or to make money to further the cause of the family so doing. The level of indoctrination is radical beyond comprehension, and stems from ancient practice of slave indoctrination coupled with the advanced techniques pioneered by the Nazi regime of WWII Germany's POW camp doctors (if one dare use that term to describe those butchers of human flesh). The actual practice of indoctrination is extreme to a level almost incomprehensible to regular citizens, and on many a day I wish that I had not seen the evidence and materials used. It is horrific beyond horror movies and very "real" especially when done to children. I can elaborate but for now, I'll not satisfy every morbid desire to know details. In time, perhaps some of the techniques, along with a counseling theme can be expressed. The end result of this indoctrination and slavery is typically some form of multiple personality disorder MPD. I have witnessed first hand persons "switching" from one personality to another, and the effects are notable, both on them and on me. I also never go this alone, so if I use the term "us" that reflects the partnership that I have in so doing this sort of counseling. There is strength and accountability in numbers. Personalities can be of any age, any gender, any worldview, any capability as far as gifts and abilities, and any frame of mind, from human time bombs to innocent children that want an ice cream cone -- all built, purposefully, into a single human individual and able to be brought to the fore with a mere voice (or signal) command of some sort. It gets weirder than that, with other "senses" beyond the normal ones, going into ESP, astral projection, aural projection and a strange "8th sense" that sort of defies definition, have that persons with that sense having the ability (seemingly) to know things that no one can know. Is this all merely demonic possession? Certainly, but it is far more intricate than that, but that is the baseline. This is not of God for sure! Is there a means to help or assist those who are in the midst of this sort of issue? Yes, but it is very time consuming, not for amateurs, and certainly not something that one can just wave a Christian magic wand over and fix by uttering the name of Jesus. I'll share why that is in later posts. For now, here is the thread and let's see where it goes. Oh, and for the record, I am NOT the expert on this issue. I am learning as I go, and my education is ongoing. As I said above, some of what I now know I wish I did not. But, in any case, there is ample opportunity for God's glory to shine through in and above, and under, and around, and through this issue. May it be so, please, in the Almighty name above all names, Jesus Christ, Lamb of God, innocent slain Messiah who died and was resurrected from the dead to save us from our sins and to defeat death, the Great I AM who now sits at the right hand of God the Father forever!