Starting a new thread, its too far off OP as it is

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Salty, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. Salty

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    Yes, I see you are right - when I went all the way back to post # 2. I guess I forgot about it after so many went off OP

    QUOTE=saturneptune;1822745]
    You are looking for excuses to support Romney.[/QUOTE]
    Actually I support someone else for POTUS


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    The answer to the question is whether one considers character an ingredient in our leaders. I do, .[/QUOTE]

    Ditto - thus that is the reason I will not support Newt

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    You criticize Ronald Reagan's faith,.[/QUOTE]
    As I stated in the other thread, we can discuss the issue when you read the link in that OP

    QUOTE=saturneptune;1822745],. and turn right around and defend Romney. [/QUOTE]
    since I have a poor memory, refresh my memory on how I defend Romney


    QUOTE=saturneptune;1822745],. Do you even understand the conservative ideals [/QUOTE]
    And I spoke up in Committee meeting when they did not adhere to Conservative principals
    Just curious, did you read the platform of the Conservative Party of NY?

    I suppose being a conservative is much like being a Baptist - there are some 57 varieties.
     
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    First of all, thanks for starting this thread. I do not want any hard feelings because I really consider you a brother in Christ, and to have a good grasp on history, government and politics. Some of my smart alec comments were made while in a heated discussion with another poster about the character of Romney, and frankly, the reasoning made no sense.

    No, I have never read the platform of the NY State Conservative Party, but will. I think sometimes we in the middle and southern states think of the northern states in too simple of terms, as one big liberal entity, which is not true. I live on the Illinois border where it joins Kentucky near Metropolis, and folks in southern Illinois are as conservative as they come, despite the mess in and around Chicago and suburbs. There has always been a battle between rural Illinois and the area arund Chicago. As of late, the Democrats have won out, and will this year.

    The subject of a defense or opposition to Romney is not black and white, just like his back and forth on issues to suit his need for votes. I probably used the wrong words when I said you defended him, as in going out to campaign for him. However, when I make several points about him, and another person opposes them, I may use the term support him. I have read quite a bit on his record of abortion, gay rights, gun control, and Romney Care while governor of Massachusetts. To me, if one is not opposing the advancement of these issues, or at times pushing them, then one is for them. Others would say Romney was really not for them, but doing the best he could with the legislature. Out of Romney Care came several paths to funded abortion. He signed the bill. He may not have introduced the legislation, but he signed the bill. It could have been vetoed. On gay rights, he came out against same sex marriage, then allowed civil unions, which lead to same sex marriage today. Again, maybe not directly, but indirectly he was one of the biggest influences on gay rights. It was the same pattern on guns, some guns for hunting, others are banned. What really makes the man obviously untrustworthy, is the 180 degree switch when he starts running for President. Take that with how people in the South feel about Mormonism, Romney has the potential of being the rare candidate who could put some states of the south in play. If one looks at the whole man, there is nothing good to say. Do we trust this man to protect this nation and conduct foreign policy when he cannot tell the truth about other issues?

    I am still hoping Santorum can win the nomination, however, I doubt it. Illinois really hurt.
     
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    Nelson Rockerfellow is the reason we have the Conservate Party. Many in the NY Repbulician felt Rocky was too liberal. They felt there was not choice but to start a new party. And (as I stated before) with the fusion ballott in NY, those in the new Conservtive Party would have an actual voice!

    Did you know that one of the founders was Charles Edison, son of inventor Thomas A. Edison
     
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    I had forgot about him. He was VP during Ford's term, but chose not to run the second time. The main thing I remember about him is a run for the 1968 Republican nomination. How did the people in New York feel about his term as governor?
     
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    I was young at the time - so I dont really remember.
    But here is the Wikipedia. But NY'ers did elect him 4 times.

    I did have one encounter with Rocky once. I was selling papers at the NY State Fair (about 1968) I came up to Rocky and I handed him a newspaper (cost was 10 cents) an aide pulled a pocket full of change out and gave me a dime. The next moring there was a large picture of Rocky handing a folded bill to a shoe shine boy! Oh, well.

    BTW, Rocky was a Baptist - so I guess he had something in common with Clinton.
     
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    You know, at the time, I was hoping Richard Nixon got the nomination, which obviously he did. However Rockefeller might have made a decent President. At the time, I perceived him as a liberal, but he did have a good track record in the business, and like you said, had been governor of a large state four times.

    Your story about your encounter with him is fascinating. Just to relate another one with his opponent, in 1973, I was stationed on a ship in Norfolk, VA. The President (Nixon) was visiting the Norfolk Naval Base, so I thought I would see if I could get a glimpse. I got my brownie camera and went to where he was speaking. Well, security was telling us where to move, and somehow, I got on the front row. After the speech, Nixon came down and shook hands, and I got to shake his hand. I snapped a picture of him while shaking his hand with the other hand. It was sort of sad in a way. As he shook my hand, it was one of those limp hand shakes. As I was shaking, I looked right into his eyes. They were blood shot, and the stare was like a distant stare, like he was going through the motions of being President. He seemed so sad. I have wondered since then if at that point, he already knew he was going down because of Watergate. That is one of the more memorable experiences, not only in the military, but my life. I thought he was a good President at first, and it almost made me feel disappointed when everything came out. I guess the Ford pardon indirectly lead to me voting for the only Democrat I ever have, Jimmy Carter. That was also a mistake, and when Carter ran for reelection, I voted for Reagan.
     

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