Starting to understand how Christ felt in the temple.

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by TexasSky, Jun 20, 2005.

  1. TexasSky

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    I see posters make loving, heart warming statements on these boards, and I see pharisees rushing to pull one post out of context to attack it.

    I rebuke that behavior as UnChristian, and I do so in the name of our Lord Christ.

    I see posters take scripture that clearly and openly says, "Love and forgive," and write post after post after post trying to justify ignoring it, or justify twisting it, or justify pretending it doesn't apply to them. I rebuke you for that in the name of the Lord Christ.

    I point you to James 2: starting at verse 8:

    "If you really keep the royal found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. But if you show favortisim, you sin, and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit muder, you have become a lawbreaker. Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom. Because judgment without mercie will be show to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgement.

    Now, you folks who want to twist God's word. Go for it. Have at it.

    But I already rebuke that pharisitical nonsense in the name of Christ, and I will no longer sit quietly while you blaspheme Christ.

    I've prayed about it, studied the word, cried about it, and prayed more about it, and now, I'm speaking up and NOT tolerating it.
     
  2. Pastor Larry

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    Since you are likely referring to my statements, I urge you not to get a martyr's complex. You are not Christ in the temple. You shouldn't feel that way.

    It is not pharisaical to obey Scripture. It is not unloving to tell the truth. What you are "not tolerating" in this particular instance is the application of hte word of God. You need to sharpen your sense of discernment to get past personalities and look at what Scripture actually says. We do not have a theology and practice based on feeling, but rather one based on revelation. Our job is to find what God says, and then stand for it. If it seems unkind, that speaks about our distorted judgment. We need not be unkind in our approach (which I have not been in the least). But it is supremely unloving and unkind to see people being led astray and not stand up to at least warn them. That is what we cannot tolerate. We cannot stand by while the truth is slandered and people are mislead. We must stand in the way.

    The Pharisees were condemning people for the wrong things. Christ condemned plenty of people for the right things. And he told us how to interact with people who teach and behave in ways that are contrary to Scripture. We should not ignore that command under the guise of "love and forgiveness." It is neither. It is unloving to stand by while false teaching and unbiblical behavior is practiced. It is unloving both to God whose truth it is (the great commandment) and unloving to our neighbors who will be mislead by it (the second great commandment).
     
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    What? Another twisted bit of doctrine from TexasSky? I can't believe it!

    TexasSky, you should be ashamed of yourself with your false accusations and one sided doctrinal views. What ever happened to the "Whole Counsel of God"? Guess you haven't figured that one out yet, eh? :eek:
     
  5. Dr. Bob

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    We are watching TexasSky carefully and will not put up with pseudo-piety in this thread and trash in another.
     
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    Since all of these thread tend toward one subject in particular, why not close all but one down and hash it out there, so I know which thread to avoid.

    Even though the titles are different, the subject of all TS's recent threads are the same. Lock up all but one and get it worked out there maybe.
     
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    Would seem a reasonable thing to do.
     
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    No one is asking you to tolerate it. You are very welcome to go somewhere else.
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    I'm going to add my vote to USN2Pulpit's, to shut down all but one of these threads:

    Starting to understand......
    Mark
    A walk through the New Testament
    Luke

    and maybe:

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    It is far too confusing to try to keep up with everything and still try to figure out who is bickering with who and over what.

    IMO, the BB doesn't need all this bickering going on, period. Fervant discussion is one thing, but these have dissolved into wall building and no one has thought to leave a door!
     
  10. TexasSky

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    DHK,

    You and the people who run this board state that it is a "Baptist Board". The given understanding is that Baptists are Christians.

    Can you show me, with scripture, where I am wrong to say that Christ taught love, forgiveness, mercy or that Christ did NOT teach that we should not judge, but rather that we should correct one another in love?

    I'm not some athiest standing here shouting, "You Christians are fools." I am a Christian saying, "LISTEN TO CHRIST."

    And your reaction to that, when it makes you uncomfortable, is to recommend the door?

    Where are your scriptures to say what I posted from the word of God is NOT what it teaches?

    Get out your bible and SHOW me where it says, "Judge".

    Get out your bible and SHOW me where it says love is EVER wrong?

    I'm not afraid to say, "THIS is why I believe what I believe."
    I'm not afraid to post dozens of scriptures.
    I'm not afraid to say, "Go read the WHOLE book of the bible where I posted scripture from if you think I'm wrong."

    I'm not afraid to ask, "Show me where I'm wrong and I'll read it."

    But stand on scripture, not "injured pride."
     
  11. TexasSky

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    Larry,

    You said, "The Pharisees were condemning people for the wrong things. Christ condemned plenty of people for the right things. "

    I see a LOT of times where Christ called a sin wrong, and I see a LOT of times where Christ said, "Go your way and sin no more."

    I also see, "Neither do I condemn thee."

    So show me where "Christ condemned plenty of people for the right things." See, the condemnation I see Him doing is of the Pharisees.
    So, give me examples. Where did Christ say, "You are a sinner, I condemn you."
     
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    I'm not Larry, of course, but I recommend that you check out Matthew 23. All of those "woe unto you" remarks - those are all pronouncements of condemnation for sin.

    There's also that discussion at the end of John 8 - "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires" - that doesn't sound much like "go and sin no more".

    There are others as well. I don't think we should always go around talking to unbelievers (or each other) like that, but it is in the Bible.
     
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    Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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    Matthew 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

    Ephesians 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

    Proverbs 11:2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

    Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

    Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    1 John 2:15-16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    Proverbs 18:7 A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

    Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

    Proverbs 29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.

    Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

    Romans 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
     
  14. Charles Meadows

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    There are others as well. I don't think we should always go around talking to unbelievers (or each other) like that, but it is in the Bible.

    Jesus didn't talk that way to the Pharisees because they were unbelievers - rather because He knew that they were "whited sepulchres", talking holy but full of an evil heart.
     
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    Lots of examples have been given already. Of course Christ condemned sin and false teaching and the people who did it. He did not condemn repentant people.
     
  16. TexasSky

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    Amen Charles.

    Regarding the comments from someone else about Matthew 23.

    "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices - mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important mattesr of the law - justice, mercy, and faithfulness."

    Define Mercy.

    "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

    They were hyprocrites.
     
  17. TexasSky

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    Now,

    Larry, what did Christ teach about love, judgment, forgiveness and mercy?
     
  18. TexasSky

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    Dr. Bob,

    I don't feel "Pious".
    I am as much a sinner as anyone ever was.

    I do, though, feel that anyone, absolutely anyone, who in any way tries to reduce the importance of God's command to love is wrong.

    And nothing posted, absoutely nothing posted, has shown I'm wrong about that.
     
  19. TexasSky

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    You know, I see a lot of proverbs up there, not anything that says God said NOT to love.

    Now, I do see where it says not to love the world, but that is a totally different thing theologically speaking. To "love the world," is to love the selfish, self-centered ways of the world. To love your neighbor has been defined by Christ Himself.

    I see Romans 2:3 above, funny thing about that, it STILL says not to judge. Granted, it says I'm wrong to judge those who are judging, but it STILL says "don't judge."

    I see a lot of talk about "fools," but to me, denying Christ teaches love is foolish.
     
  20. whatever

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    I don't know of anyone who isn't, save Christ.
     

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