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  1. psalms109:31

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    We are stewards of what is given to us and they belong to God not us. We are to teach them the things of God constantly the ignorant, the children that they can be blessed by us. That we have a God who is just and will do what is right? That there is an elect predestined before even the foundation of the world and through them God is adding to the number saved that will be like the sands of the seashore, more than the stars in heaven.

    Ephesians 1:13
    And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

    1 Timothy 2
    1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.

    Some say I have no emotion, because I do not worry about what I can't change, but put in God's hands.

    What better hope in scripture that God is a just is there? Through Jesus there is hope even for children and the ignorant. They belong to Him and He can do what He pleases.

    Death is a reminder to care for the people around us and love them, for we do not know when God will take them, they are His not ours.

    Exodus 19:4-6
    New International Version (NIV)
    4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
     
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    Some say I have no emotion, because I do not worry about what I can't change, but put in God's hands.

    I understand it to be sin to worry. I also think it's a sin to argue over doctrine. Did the early church get bogged down in doctrine? I don't think so.

    We should, as believers, be more concerned about our lost loved ones rather than barking up the wrong tree(s).

    Have any of you realized that, for example, should you be charged with a crime and end up in court defending yourself, the lawyers spend most of their time arguing "points of law" all the while your innocence or guilt falls by the wayside?

    The same principle often happens in many churches. Too much time is spent defending doctrine while souls slip into eternity with or without coming to know Jesus. What a shame.

    Shouldn't preaching the gospel and leading the lost to the Lord be the main purpose?
     
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    I just want to be sure that you don't belive that God is still adding to the number of the elect. The Lord predestinated a certain number --those are the elect. The rool of the elect cannot be increased or diminished.
     
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    I agree with the scripture posted.

    If God is not including adding anyone else those that hear the Gospel of their salvation having believed and there will be nothing lost if we continue preaching, that He is including, the elect will still be saved.

    The greatest reason among those who disagree and say that He is including adding more that hear the Gospel of their salvation having believed and not preach it.

    God through an elect group, a remnant, a chosen few, a predestined people before the foundation of the world; There will be amount saved included with the elect that can not be counted by man. Praise God.
     
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    You are not making yourself clear. Only the elect chosen before the foundation of the world will be saved --no one else. No other body of people is included with the elect --the elect are the corporate body of folks made up of both Jews and Gentiles --and they only will be saved.

    In 2 Tim. 1:9 it says that He has saved us because of His own purpose and grace --grace that was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.

    Only those whose names are inscribed or enrolled in the Book of Life will be saved --no other groups will be added.
     
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    I will stick with what was said. He saved us by grace for His purpose to spread His grace in Jesus Christ.

    Why? Because He wants all men to be saved and come to this knowledge of the truth.

    There is not many groups, we are one in Christ depending not on our self for salvation, but what Christ did on the cross. If we are depending on us and not the grace of God then we would have to pay our own debt for our sin which is death. That will be no salvation at all.

    God didn't know who all would be saved He wouldn't be God.

    Psalm 69:28
    May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

    Revelation 3:5
    The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

    Matthew 10:33
    But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

    Luke 12:9
    But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

    1 John 2 :
    Warnings Against Denying the Son
    18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

    20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[Some manuscripts and you know all things] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.

    26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
     
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    Ps.,your post number 6 did not address this post of mine. Please deal directly with what I said. Your post was all over the place. Focus.
     
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    I did, what point did i not
     
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    No,you don't answer directly. You throw out a lot of Scripture. But plastering verses doesn't deal with what I said. Do you or do you not agree that only those whose names are inscribed in the Lamb's Book of Life are the elect? Do you or do you not agree that the names of those folks alone are the elect and that will be saved? Do you agree or not that no other people will be added to the number of the elect --that the number is fixed and determined by the Lord before the world was created?
     
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    Psalm 69:28
    May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

    Revelation 3:5
    The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

    Matthew 10:33
    But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

    Luke 12:9
    But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.



    God didn't know who all would be saved He wouldn't be God.

    I will stick with scripture

    Ephesians 1:13
    And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

    I agree with the scripture
    Ephesians 1:13
    And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

    I agree with the elect is numbered a certain amount

    Revelation 7
    144,000 Sealed
    1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

    5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

    from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

    from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

    6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

    from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

    from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

    7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

    from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

    from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

    8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

    from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

    from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

    I agree that God through them an amount like the sands of the seashore will be saved

    Revelation 7:
    The Great Multitude in White Robes
    9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

    “Salvation belongs to our God,
    who sits on the throne,
    and to the Lamb.”

    11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

    “Amen!
    Praise and glory
    and wisdom and thanks and honor
    and power and strength
    be to our God for ever and ever.
    Amen!”

    13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

    14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

    And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore,

    “they are before the throne of God
    and serve him day and night in his temple;
    and he who sits on the throne
    will shelter them with his presence.
    16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
    never again will they thirst.
    The sun will not beat down on them,’
    nor any scorching heat.
    17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne
    will be their shepherd;
    ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
    ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

    That only God knows the end result. I will not disagree with the elect or those being included added, or that God doesn't know the end result, if He didn't He wouldn't be God. All of them are one, not different groups that you said.
     
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    Ps.,I give up. You sincerely do not understand my plainly worded post. Good day.
     
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    you dont have any doctrine Hamel? Nothing you care to draw out of scripture?
     
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    I do want to make sure that this is not talking about those who are in Christ who have come to Him, Jesus will not lose anyone He has been given

    This is talking about those who were cut out, not able to enter His salvation because of unbelief.

    Hebrews 3:
    Warning Against Unbelief
    7 So, as the Holy Spirit says:
    “Today, if you hear his voice,
    8 do not harden your hearts
    as you did in the rebellion,
    during the time of testing in the wilderness,
    9 where your ancestors tested and tried me,
    though for forty years they saw what I did.
    10 That is why I was angry with that generation;
    I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray,
    and they have not known my ways.’
    11 So I declared on oath in my anger,
    ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”[Psalm 95:7-11]

    12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end. 15 As has just been said:

    “Today, if you hear his voice,
    do not harden your hearts
    as you did in the rebellion.”[Psalm 95:7,8]

    16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

    Jude 1:
    5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[Some early manuscripts Jesus] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.
     

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