STOP THE ACLU

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  1. freedom's cause

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    I support the ACLU. I am in favor of civil liberties for Americans.
     
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    ACLU may as well stand for "Anti Christian Liberal's Union".
     
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    I am in favor of civil liberties for all Americans.

    I oppose the aclu and what I believe is their agenda: To destroy America by tearing down it's institutions and using our own Constitution to do it.
     
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    To those who support the ACLU, here's what the founder said...

    Some would say that that was said a long time ago. That's true, but their agenda is still the same. Stop the ACLU.
     
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    The ACLU has nothing to do with civil liberties but is devoted to the destruction of this country.
     
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    The ACLU has nothing to do with civil liberties but is devoted to the destruction of this country. </font>[/QUOTE]Once again, a bald-faced assertion with no substantiation. I guess things like getting street preachers out of jail and the other good things the ACLU has done for Christians is all part of their plot to destroy America.
     
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    Actually, that's not what he said. This is something he was quoting from what a communist would view as being a "perfect" society. In fact, he went on to say that "So long as we have enough people in this country willing to fight for their rights, we'll be called a democracy". This is a clear example of how esay it is to take words out of the intended contexts to twist them into an independent agenda.

    I'm no fan of the ACLU, but as Christians, we should always strive to be accurate in ur facts. Poor facts make for poor Christian witness.
     
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    Very true, Johnv. I am shocked at how often mistruths and false statements are promoted as a means of furthering the gospel. Of all people, Christians should be a beacon of truth, forsaking even the appearance of evil or lying. Truth can stand with the facts. It is only a flawed position that must be supported by misrepresentation.
     
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    &lt;personal attack deleted - LE&gt; ignorantly or not if you are in favor of the ACLU you will be supporting the Anti-Christ when
    he briefly comes into power very briefly
    Thank God at least there are some who are not fooled by the ACLU who support pedaphiles and homosexuals I would not doubt that they are a terrorist supported organization as well I would
    simply ask church wake up ask your minister to speak about the ACLU in your church get the word
    out the ACLU must be stopped

    STOP THE ACLU

    [ September 07, 2005, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]
     
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    &lt;personal attack deleted - LE&gt;


    I CLEARLY AND ABUNDANTLY SAID that I am by no means a supporter or in favor of the ACLU. This is true despite your unrighteous words.
    If people want to speak out against the ACLU, hey, I'm all for it. But hear me and hear me correctly: IT IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY A VIOLATION OF CHRISTIAN BELIEFS, PRINCIPLES, AND SCRIPTURAL DIRECTIVES TO ENGAGE IN THE SPREADING OF FALSE INFORMATION.

    I find it truly sad &lt;personal attack deleted - LE&gt; Where does Jesus say "it's okay to lie about your enemy"?

    [ September 07, 2005, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]
     
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    I'm strongly in favor of civil liberties - our Constitution documents them - for all Americans but don't like most of what the ACLU promotes and too frequently accomplishes in the name of civil liberties.
     
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    JOHN V I AM NOT SORRY EXCEPT FOR YOU YOU STILL DON'T WANT TO GET IT BUT SINCE YOU ARE IN AMERICA YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT VOICE YOUR INEPT OPINION
     
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    JOHN V

    I AM SORRY THAT THE TRUTH OFFENDS YOU BELIEVING A LIE IS YOUR FREE CHOICE BUT I WISH YOU WOULD NOT USE THE CHURCH TO LIE ABOUT THE REAL ACLU TO CHRISTIANS THAT MAY NOT KNOW BETTER
     
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    So do you beleive it's okay for a Christian to promote a falsehood, even if that falsehood is about an enemy? Or do you believe that we are to refrain from falsehoods regardless of the object of that falsehood?

    Answer the questions.

    What lie is it that you say I believe in?
     
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    HERE'S THE TRUTH LET R RIP


    Stop The ACLU BlogBurst July 21, 2005
    The most revealing information released about the Most Dangerous Organization in America this past week has been the revelation that the FBI has over 1100 documents pertaining to the ACLU obtained during an investigation by the Counter Terrorism Taskforce. What have they been up to?

    According to the ACLU nothing and I quote:


    Government Has Amassed Thousands of Pages on National Peace and Civil Rights Organizations


    NEW YORK -- The American Civil Liberties Union today revealed that the FBI has amassed more than 1,100 pages of documents on its organization since 2001, as well as documents concerning other non-violent groups including Greenpeace and United for Peace and Justice.


    "We now know that the government is keeping documents about the ACLU and other peaceful groups - the question is why," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero.

    "We are urging the court to order that these documents be turned over immediately," he added. "If the FBI has nothing to hide, it should release the documents promptly. The government's claim that it needs nine more months to turn over these documents is a stalling tactic," Romero said, referring to the FBI's request for more time to "process" the 1,173 pages of documents it says it has on the ACLU.

    The ACLU also revealed today the contents of a report on United for Peace and Justice, a national peace organization that coordinates non-violent protests. The document, sections of which are redacted, is addressed to FBI "Counterrorism" personnel and quotes from UFPJ's website calling for a public demonstration prior to the 2004 Republican National Convention.

    The document was released in response to an ACLU lawsuit filed two months ago to expedite its FOIA request for FBI surveillance files on the ACLU, Greenpeace, United for Peace and Justice, Code Pink, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

    "The UFPJ report underscores our concern that the FBI is violating Americans' right to peacefully assemble and oppose government policies without being branded as terrorist threats," said Ann Beeson, Associate Legal Director of the ACLU. "There is no need to open a counterterrorism file when people are simply exercising their First Amendment rights."

    The ACLU has launched a nationwide effort to expose and prevent FBI spying on people and groups simply for speaking out or practicing their faith. In addition to the FOIA request on behalf of the national organizations, the ACLU has filed similar requests on behalf of more than 100 groups and individuals in 16 states and the District of Columbia. The ACLU is seeking information about the FBI's use of Joint Terrorism Task Forces and local police to engage in political surveillance. The requests were filed in response to widespread complaints from students and political activists who said they were questioned by FBI agents in the months leading up to the 2004 political conventions.

    The FOIAs seek two kinds of information: 1) the actual FBI files of groups and individuals targeted for speaking out or practicing their faith; 2) information about how the practices and funding structure of the task forces, known as JTTFs, are encouraging rampant and unwarranted spying.

    For more information on the FOIA requests, go to www.aclu.org/spyfiles.

    The FBI Counterterrorism document on United for Peace and Justice is available online at: www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18781&c=206.

    The government's response to the ACLU's lawsuit for expedited processing is available online at: www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18779&c=206.

    Source


    Peaceful Organizations my big toe. The ACLU has been undermining this nation ever since it's founding in 1920 by self-professed Communists Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman. Especially as of late with their attempt to grant Constitutional liberties to detained terrorists being housed at Guantanamo Bay Cuba.

    If they are so peaceful, then why are they backing enemies of the United States? If they are so peaceful why did they lose some of their funding earlier this year? Could it be that they wouldn't give up their defense of terrorists?

    The Ford Foundation has had some of their donated money returned to them by the ACLU because the ACLU refused to not participate in the defense of terrorists.

    If you believe that the ACLU is actually looking out for the civil liberties of all Americans, take a look at their own website. And I'm not talking about a summary look. Take a detailed examination of their site. Look into the current cases in litigation. Read their press releases. If you were to do so, I would be willing to wager that you would change your mind.

    Call them. Ask them about NAMBLA. Ask them why they defend NAMBLA. Ask them why they support legalization of possession and distribution of child pornography. Doubt that they do? Read this New York v. Ferber. Take a look who filed the AMICUS CURIAE of the case. Listen to the oral arguments (be warned, it takes an hour).

    Once you have listened to these arguments and read the brief, then tell me that they have your interests in mind. Ask yourself if this is an organization that you wish to be associated with.

    The FBI has a legitimate reason to investigate this harmful organization because they are tearing away at the foundation of our nation through their promotion of judicial activism. The ACLU is primarily responsible for the legalization of abortion. A procedure which kills a child every 20 seconds of every day in the United States.

    The ACLU is responsible for the expansion of the legal arm of the federal government into issues which should be left to the states. Powers granted to the states by the 10th Amendment are being short changed by the ACLU through their use of the court system. The ACLU's promotion of judicial activism is the cause of these expanded powers assumed by those who have unofficially proclaimed themselves "Kings of America" by committee through action.

    The Justices of the Supreme Court are appointed for life or retirement with no checks. They were empowered by our founding fathers specifically to judge the application of passed laws against the text of the Constitution. And they have fallen prey to an idea advocated by the ACLU that the Constitution is a living document. It isn't.

    The fact that one of our sitting Associate Justices is a former General Counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union may have something to do with that idea.

    The ACLU just has to threaten a state or local government with legal action in order to obtain the ends that they wish. By forcing cash strapped localities and states to cowtail to their will is extortion. And I for one am interested in seeing what the FBI has uncovered about these anti-Americans.


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    Anser my questions:

    1 - Do you beleive it's okay for a Christian to promote a falsehood, even if that falsehood is about an enemy? Or do you believe that we are to refrain from falsehoods regardless of the object of that falsehood?

    2 - What lie is it that you say I believe in? And what post did I say I believed in that lie?
     
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    YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO BELIEVE THE TRUTH
    APPARENTLY YOU DO NOT CARE TO HEAR IT EVEN
    WHEN THE FACTS PROVE OTHERWISE SORRY BUT THE
    ACLU IS AN ANT-CHRIST ORGANIZATION MADE TO LOOK
    LIKE THE OPPOSITE FOOLING MANY BUT I AM NOT
     
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    Sorry, you're not getting off that easily. You made some bold accusations about me. Now back them up by answering my questions:

    1 - Do you beleive it's okay for a Christian to promote a falsehood, even if that falsehood is about an enemy? Or do you believe that we are to refrain from falsehoods regardless of the object of that falsehood?

    2 - What lie is it that you say I believe in? And what post did I say I believed in that lie?
     

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