Straying Church Members

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  1. Charlie the Chosen

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    I have a question I hope someone can answer, and give me scripture to back it up!
    What should be done with a fellow believer that has strayed from the truth of the Word, goes out teaching it, but yet remains faithful to the Baptist Church in attendance and tithing?

    [ October 09, 2001: Message edited by: Barnabas ]
     
  2. Jefferson

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    We all stray to one degree or another. Could you be more specific as to the severity of this person's straying?
     
  3. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie the Chosen:
    I have a question I hope someone can answer, and give me scripture to back it up!
    What should be done with a fellow believer that has strayed from the truth of the Word, goes out teaching it, but yet remains faithful to the Baptist Church in attendance and tithing?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Attendance and tithing are not the measures of faithfulness; there's a whole lot of tares who do both. Adherence to the Word is the standard; if false teaching is occurring serious discipline is required.

    Romans 16:17-19 (ESV)
    I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. [18] For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. [19] For your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, but I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent as to what is evil.

    1 Cor. 5:11-13 (ESV)
    But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. [12] For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? [13] God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

    2 Thes. 3:14-15 (ESV)
    If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. [15] Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

    1 Tim. 6:3-5 (ESV)
    If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, [4] he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, [5] and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

    Titus 3:10-11 (ESV)
    As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, [11] knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

    2 John 1:10-11 (ESV)
    If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, [11] for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
     
  4. Brother Adam

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    oh dear me. at first i thought the subject said "Spaying church members" :eek:

    I like your post Chris.

    Until Next Post, Adam
     
  5. Charlie the Chosen

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    Jefferson, I should have mentioned all that first. First of all you must understand that I live way out in the country and our church is in a very rural area, so many of our members are all related to each other. We average @ 60 very faithful members, and at least half are someway related. So there is very little talk going on. This member has associated himself with a group that has just started a church. This church is a Full Gospel Baptist. There is speaking in tongues, pew jumping, and all sorts of wild ideas coming out of that church. Two of the 3 pastors have been in prison, one just recently got out and claims he was saved in prison. Which is great. But this preacher was put in prison because he raped a 14 year old girl. This little girl was in his sunday school class at a baptist church across the county line. He only served 18 months. This is all sickening to me! And now we have a member of our church that has been going to their revival services that thinks these guys are wonderful and makes comments that he wants the kind of powers that he has seen performed down there. I was told that last week he spoke in tongues for the first time and it was the greatest experience he had ever had. I'm really worried about him. All I could say was be careful. I have been mad with myself because I really wanted to blast him out of the water and ask him how he could think all this was wonderful. It's as though he has forgotten all the things that he has been taught. I have a feeling it won't be long before we loose him to that other church, and because of his praising them, I am afraid we could lose some others.
     
  6. Charlie the Chosen

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    Thanks for the scriptures. I didn't mean to say this guy was faithful because he tithed and attended services. But he has done some great works too.
     
  7. Barnabas H.

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    Sorry Charlie for going into your post. Only put a lonely "T" to your word "Sraying," to clear it up for the readers. [​IMG]
     
  8. Charlie the Chosen

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    Thanks Barnabus, I couldn't figure out how to fix that, so I gave up!
     
  9. Chet

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    Charlie the Chosen,

    It really breaks your heart doesn’t it. I bothers my heart tremendously reading your post. It is sad because this false (and gross) teaching is spreading and it taps on the back of naive people first, who are not truly grounded in the truths of the Word of God. :(

    I believe there is no such thing as a full gospel Baptist. That is just a mask, behind it is the teachings of Satan. And while many may disagree with me, I simply don’t believe that these pastors are Christians. The main reason I say that is because the cultic activities they are involved in are not of God. And if a person who commits such heinous crimes does get saved then everyone must realize we reap what we sow, and part of that is we can’t allow them to be in the same positions they were before. They can’t be trusted.

    Of course I am sure you already had personal discussions with the man who wants “the
    same power”. That is what needs to be done. He needs someone to really care about his
    spiritual well being. You need to give this man the proof that the Bible teaches this
    activity is wrong. I also say that Prayer is needed, and that sounds easy to say. But it will weigh your heart down and only God can change this man. The Scripture is alive and powerful, so lets pray that he will be open to Scripture. And what is worse is this man claims that he spoke in tongues already. Here are possible conclusions. 1. He faked it. 2. He went into an altered state of conscience, and thus was not controlled by God. 3. It was demonic. Let us hope for the first.

    If your council does nothing, and he seems to be trapped in this web, then the Scripture
    that Chris Temple shared comes into play. I feel he gave very clear directed
    Scripture that most of the time people ignore. And Chris is a wise man who knows what he is posting.

    Let me also offer up this, the Bible teaches that a little leaven makes the whole batch
    rotten. The last thing you want is for this man to start penetrating your assembly with this garbage. He would then need to be plucked out.

    1 Tim 4:1-2
    The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
    NIV

    2 Cor 11:13-15
    For such men are false apostles, [bdeceitful workmen[/b], masquerading as apostles of
    Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not
    surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
    NIV

    With love,

    Chet
     
  10. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> And Chris is a wise man who knows what he is posting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thanks Chet. I'm not so wise. I just search the Scriptures - and believe what I find!
    ;)
     
  11. Lorelei

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris Temple:


    Thanks Chet. I'm not so wise. I just search the Scriptures - and believe what I find!
    ;)
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    And that my friend is why you are wise!!! *hehe*

    Chet,

    You are also a wise friend! I don't think either of you left anything that needed to be said, but I had to send my Amens. :D

    Charlie,

    You are right to be concerned, heed the advice of your brothers according the scriptures. I will be in prayer for you and your congregation!

    ~Lorelei
     
  12. Barnabas H.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie the Chosen: Thanks Barnabus, I couldn't figure out how to fix that, so I gave up!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Don't give up Charlie! Never give up. All you have to do is go to "Edit/Delete Post" and you can change anything in your message or topic boxes. [​IMG] BTW, my name is spelled Barnabas, just like in the Bible.
     
  13. Charlie the Chosen

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    Thanks guys for all the good advice. I have really been praying for this guy. Only the Lord can give me the power to approach this guy in love and not in the flesh. Lord knows I want to knock his head off and get his attention, but how wrong would that be huh?! It is really hard for me to believe that someone can fall so far from the truth. I know it's possible because the bible tells me so. Thanks again, Charlie
     
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    Charlie,

    I agree that you have been given excellent advice by my brothers in Christ Chris and Chet. Here is one more verse that you might speak to your friend about:

    1 John 4:1 (ESV)
    Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    I would not doubt that folks, including your friend, over at that church are experiencing unexplainable "powers." But "God is not a God of confusion but of peace." 1 Corinthians 14:33a (ESV).

    You are in my prayers! God bless!
     
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    Don't be intimidated by that "tongues" thing. Chet tried to explain it, but he left the best explanation off his list of possibilities. I have very close Christian friends who do love to babble in worship, and they assure me it is nothing more than excitement which some individuals are given to.
    An Assembly of God pastor told me recently, "I speak in tongues because I get so wound up and I'm too excited to know what to say!" I found it very believeable that he said his "tongues" is not a spiritual event, but simply a physical expression of inward elation. He likened the speaking of tongues we see commonly to the same mass hysteria you witness at a football game, in a movie theater, or at a rock concert.
    I've done some hooting and chanting at games myself. One time I hit my thumb with a hammer and I did speak in unknown tongues.
    Have you noticed at the big games there are some who remain calmly quietly seated even when the crowd roars with excitement?
    They are Baptist.
    I have faith that unsound doctrine and passing excitement will not hold your "straying" friend for long.
     
  16. Stephen

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Have you noticed at the big games there are some who remain calmly quietly seated even when the crowd roars with excitement?
    They are Baptist.
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    Man you have never seen my Pastor watch a Georgia Bulldogs game. We have to remove everything breakable from around him. He was born bleeding red and black. :D

    Stephen
     
  17. Nicole

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyfree432:
    oh dear me. at first i thought the subject said "Spaying church members" :eek:

    I like your post Chris.

    Until Next Post, Adam
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    Welp, trust me flyfree....with what my husband is doing right now...it's a consideration. lol....ok, I'll be nice now (actually when I first saw it I thought it said "spraying church members" I thought hmmmm, now, what baptist churches do this?)
     

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