Featured Street Preaching: Gods primary way of reaching the lost

You are wrong, I do not believe a person can lose their salvation and have said so many times here at BB. I believe in Preservation of the Saints which is very different from Perseverance of the Saints. If you must persevere to be saved, that is a works salvation.

I am not persevering, I am kept by Jesus himself. I am not saved because I am always faithful to Jesus, but because he will always be faithful to me.

Perseverance of the Saints is held by both Calvinists and Arminians, I am neither. If you must persevere, then you are saying you must work to be saved.

 

It's usually more helpful to ask someone what they believe than tell them what they believe.

 

(sigh)

I was really hoping this would be a thread about different ways of evangelizing. Thank you, Winman, for turning it into (yet another) "Calvin argument."

 

Your apology is unnecessary. I called out the individual that I believe I can trace the "detour" to. You merely responded to a comment directed specifically to you.

 

Even with the amended title, the point is incorrect. You're reading your context into the Sitz em Leben of the Scriptures and the examples provided.

 

Why are you folks taking advantage of a fellow who obviously does not understand the differences between Calvinism and Arminianism? He does not believe in Unconditional Election and is therefore not a Calvinist.

If you really cared about the guy you would correct him instead of letting him continue in error.

John, there is no "C" in TULIP.

 

Because there is no error in evangelizing per se. This discussion was started, and subsequently commented on, regarding the methods of evangelizing, and whether there is one technique that is "more right" or "better" than any other technique.

Your point is what's being preached when we evangelize; which is, admittedly, the most important part of why we evangelize in the first place. But that's another discussion. This one was started talking about how we evangelize.

But we can never seem to get to those subjects because someone always turns the conversations around to why Calvin is more right than Arminius, or why neither Calvin nor Arminius are right, etc., etc.

Me, I'm gonna go out and preach Christ, crucified, His blood shed for the remission of our sins. Now how about we talk about whether I do that on a street corner, or via letter, or telephone, or internet YouTube videos, or in prisons, or nursing homes, or just in our churches on Sunday mornings?

 

BINGO...me too :thumbs:

 

Yeah, we'll just ignore that John thinks he is a Calvinist and is going to go out and preach against Arminians (which he does at times, I've listened to quite a few of his street sermons) when in reality he is one. In reality he does not believe in Unconditional Election. But let's not let truth get in the way of a good Arminian bashing.

What does the message matter anyway?

 

Don't even think about talking to a Calvinist...or God wont bless you :smilewinkgrin:

Personally I like Dons advice...we preach Christ crucified & we preach him to you. Actually see if you can look up Sinclair Ferguson's sermon...on election. He is a Presbyterian but will tell you the foundation of the free offering of the gospel is NOT ELECTION,, but it is the promice that Christ will save ALL who come to Him in belief. If not Sinclair, then RC Sproll, Martyn Lloyd Jones, and I think even John Piper. All from the ranks of Reformed theology. :godisgood:

 

Yes....Winman seems to be obsessed with trying to discourage anyone from studying anything different than he approves of.

E65 starts studying his bible and getting more light on some topics, and is still looking at others and Winman jumps in to attempt to rescue/hinder him from truth.....yup, he does this all the time:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

So--are you suggesting he should find another method?

 

No, I'm suggesting he should know what he is talking about before he goes out and preaches to people. He obviously does not understand that a Calvinist cannot believe in Conditional Election.

He often bashes Arminianism in his sermons when he is an Arminian himself.

If anything, he should be bashing Calvinism, he does not believe in Unconditional Election, although he is now wavering on that. He doesn't know what is right and what is wrong, therefore he shouldn't be preaching to others.