Students Say Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic!

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Should Students be Permitted to say the Pledge in Arabic?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    SEEhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270944/Rocky-Mountain-High-School-Outrage-high-school-recites-Pledge-Arabic-saying-One-Nation-Under-Allah.html

    Would you rather have these students say the pledge in English, or Arabic [which demonstrates assimilation]? Is this better than having them not say the pledge at all?

    What say you?
     
  2. mont974x4

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    It does make me more sure about our decision to home school.
     
  3. General Mung Beans

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    I suppose they can be allowed to, but the Pledge should be said in English. Although this cannot be noted enough: Allah is just Arabic for God. Arab Christians use the word Allah.
     
  4. Don

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    If you actually read the article, you'll find that the students had also done this in French and Spanish; but for some reason, we don't seem to be upset about that....
     
  5. go2church

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    So it isn't what is said but what language it's said in? Ridiculous!
     
  6. Magnetic Poles

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    Agreed. It is a language exercise. Sheesh. And allowed? We do have freedom of speech in America.
     
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    A pledge doesn't mean anything if the words aren't spoken with sincerity.

    Doesn't matter if the words are in English, Latin, or the language of a primative people living in some remote rain forest.

    Througout this nation, how many people simply repeat those words just because it's expected by those standing around them?
     
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    True about Arab Christians ... and not just Arabs. We have a student here from Nigeria and I can assure you he is not Arab. The word for God in his native language is also Allah and he uses Allah when he prays in his native language.
     
  9. Aaron

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    Yeah, and "bitch" is just a word for a female dog. Dog trainers use it all the time.

    Context is king, and the purpose of the Pledge in Arabic was provocation. Plain and simple.
     
  10. Magnetic Poles

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    You know this how?
     
  11. Robert Snow

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    He assumes, that's all. Most all of this hyperbole is in response to his own delusions.
     
  12. righteousdude2

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    It Could ALL be Solved...

    ...if the leaders of this nation and our schools required that ALL students, regardless of their race or nationality, speak English [it's called "assimilation" and it used to be something that ALL immigrants did out of love for this nation].

    We won't do this today in the name of tolerance and remaining politically correct, and by doing so, we are losing the "melting pot" theme that once made America a nation of many, living as one.

    I fear we can't continue to let everyone who comes here to live as they wish and see fit, because if this continues we will lose the "united" in "United States of America."

    Tolerance has truly replaced SACRIFICE. When a person becomes a member of this nation, we are asking them to sacrifice their identity to become one of us. After all, no one was forced to come here. No one had a gun held to their head as they moved to America. They came here [of their own freewill] to be in this country; let them become part of this country by being like their neighbors.

    This doesn't mean they should sacrifice their culture or traditions, just live like Americans when out among Americans. What they do; how they speak; and what they eat in their homes is up to them. Be Mexican; Asian, Europeon, Phillipian, etc., when you come together with your family and friends. Just make the sacrifice to change and be an American when doing business in the public sector, and attending public educational institutions.

    That isn't asking anything more than are forefathers did without being told to do, decades and generations ago!
     
  13. Baptist Believer

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    I'm not a big fan of the Pledge at all.

    - You are pledging allegiance to a flag.
    - You are making a theological assertion that I don't believe is (or was ever true) = "One nation under God"

    If I could rewrite the Pledge, I would write:

    "I pledge allegiance to the republic of the United States of America, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
     
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    The two words, "under God" were added when I was a kid. They were added for political reasons, not for religious reasons, i.e. to show the world we were morally superior to the USSR.
     
  15. Salty

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    I pledge allegiance to the flag ... AND TO THE COUNTRY FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

    I know I get emotional when I say the pledge (while using the hand salute - even in civvies) or during the playing of the Star Spangled Banner.

    Just ask any Marine how he felt on 23 Feb 45 as he witness the raising of his beloved Flag on Iwo Jima.

    Yes, maybe it was a piece of cloth that flew over Mt. Suribachi that morning, but it was paid for by the blood of my brothers in arms. The cost of Americian lives is show at the end of this short viedo

    Symbolism is important as Each color, each stripe, each star has a meaning.

    And symbolism is important to us Baptists - especially when it comes to baptism.


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  16. Baptist Believer

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    Yes, I am well aware of the history of the addition.

    It just kills me that the people who seem to crow about how important it is often mess up the pledge at precisely that point:

    They'll say, "One nation (pause) under God (pause) indivisible..."

    Instead of "One nation under God (pause) indivisible..."

    There is no comma between "One nation" and "under God" in the Pledge.

    That happens though because the generations before the 1950s said the Pledge as "One Nation (pause) indivisible..."

    I almost never hear the Pledge recited correctly!!
     
  17. Baptist Believer

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    Actually, the line is:

    "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands..."

    If we are going to make a big deal about the Pledge, we should as least quote it accurately.

    Sure, I understand and appreciate symbolism, but I don't fight for flags and symbols, I fight for what is behind them. There is too much idolatry in the world where the symbol gets turned into the focus of attention instead of the thing or person it represents. I have enormous respect for the flag and have been teary-eyed seeing in fly in certain important places, but I don't put so much importance on a piece of cloth that I am going to pledge allegiance to whoever wraps themselves in the flag and symbols of state if they are doing things contrary to our Constitutional principles and Christian responsibilities.
     
  18. Salty

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    I suppose you did not see the ellipsis
     
  19. preachinjesus

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    Somebody should remind me...where is the article or amendment that makes English the only language of the USA?
     
  20. Baptist Believer

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    I saw the ellipsis.

    You wrote "country for which it stands" instead of "republic for which it stands."

    I don't know if you intended for your statement to be a quote or not, but I don't like to see the Pledge misquoted, especially when people are lecturing me on why the wording of the Pledge is important.
     

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