Stupid Gun Control Laws

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  1. Don

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    Regarding a gun control law that's being considered:

    Um...could it be they're against it because most of the people who use guns to kill either stole their weapon or just don't register it in the first place?

    This law would identify only registered weapons. Won't cut down on crime, won't help police track killers.
     
  2. Helen

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    This is 'panic legislation', Don. A reaction to the sniper killings. It has its good points and bad points and I'm sure will be debated on both. But whether it is passed or not, nothing is going to change the human heart but Christ, and that is what needs to be 'regulated.'
     
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    When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults.
     
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    So...'they' want to see what kind of distint marking my pistol leaves once it's fired, huh? Oh, I'll be more than happy to oblige...just remember I've yet to miss a target! [​IMG] ;)
     
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    This is just another attack on weapons by the democrats. With out fail, they also try to use the unfortunate deaths of others to try to manipulate people's feelings about the attackers. The people who are for this legislation will do nothing to the criminals. All it will do is inconvenience the law abiding public. :mad:
     
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    I think it's more the "panic legislation" Helen named it as.

    Does it always have to be about Republicans and Democrats? :rolleyes:
     
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    Kelly, unfortunately, that's the way it is. Or you can call it Liberals and Conservatives, whichever helps you sleep better at night. :D ;)

    The reason it won't pass is because the fingerprinting is not fool proof. Anyone with knowledge & a nail file can change the fingerprint of the bullet. Also, an expert said that after enough firings the fingerprint alters anyway. Besides, most guns used by criminals aren't purchased through legitimate means.
     
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    I don't think it's panic legislation either. The proposal is motivated by a cold, deliberate group to use whatever firearm tragedy to forward gun control. But in reality, "control" is not the end game, elimination is. After all, what is the first step to a socialist(read communist) state? Disarming the public.
     
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    Instead of Gun control, these types of crimes should be death penalty situations.

    As for me, I am all for a public execution - hanging, electric chair, butter knife, pick-axe, listening to Oprah 24/7, forced membership in the CBF, etc.
     
  10. Don

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    "listening to Oprah 24/7"....

    How about "Tiny Bubbles" 24/7? We could vary the speed, and give 'em intermittent "hopeful" pauses every once in a while....

    Oh, and while I'm thinking about it: I think there's something in the books that prohibits cruel and unusual punishment....
     
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    I just had to chuckle: Even though there's a gaggle of liberals living around Wash. DC, it was reported today gun applications are up 500% now, since all this sniper business. LOL!

    So maybe it depends on whose ox is getting gored. LOL! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Guess having 2nd Amendment Rights isn't horrible, after all, LOL! :D
     
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    That's what bothers me. I'm all for maintaining second amendment rights, but I'm concerned about such a high jump in applications. The last thing I want to have to deal with is a paranoid neighbor with a pistol. [​IMG]

    Not that there aren't already those out there, but such a high jump seems like it would increase the chances of it.

    But watch out about characterizing all liberals as anti-second amendment or even anti-gun. It's just not so.
     
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    Just some brief thoughts...

    You americans, do not give up the second amendment rights of yours. I would not be surprised if this sniper shooting is some plot that in the long run has for its aim stricter gun control. I would not be surprised if they never catch this killer, nor would I be surprised if some top leaders in the wings, some who push for the NWO, have paid this sniper to do what he does. We just had an awful bombing here in Finland, 7 dead and about 80 injured. Now already some high ranking officials are screaming for stricter control of the internet, including censorship and whatever. I fear this incident is what the NWO pushers in the government needed. Now they will be able to scream for stricter control of the citizenry, including listening to peoples private phone calls, and controlling the internet traffic of the Finnish people, who discusses what and with whom on the forums etc. I know there are always those who call such as myself "paranoid" and "conspiracy" this and that. But if one knows the agenda of the Bavarian Illuminati of Adam Weishaupt one sees those very things are coming to fullfilment in our days, increasingly so. One of the mottos of him and his fellow conspirators was "Ordo ab chao", order out of chaos. This explains much of the seeming chaos of the modern society, it has been more or less manufactured by certain forces operating behind the scenes, and their ultimate aim a New World Order with a One World Government. And I would not be surprised if this will one day in the near future be a reality, for the book of Revelation says that the whole world will worship the dragon, i.e. Lucifer, Satan. And it speaks about certain people of high rank having one mind. It is not so much about communism vs. ultra-capitalism, or democrats vs. republicans. These seemingly opposing things are just small items in a bigger game. The top conspirators love to put people groups against each others, whether it be socialists against capitalists so called, or whites against colored people, women (feminists) against men etc. This tension creates an unstability which would warrant the wicked governments and leaders to implement martial law if driven to its edge. Much could be said, but enough for now.

    Harald
     
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    As an outsider looking into the USA it is apparent that Americans have more freedom than most but have the least confidence and faith in their government. You really are a paranoid bunch. Every time gun legislation is mentioned there is talk of suppressing the people.

    I don't have a gun and, hey, I'm free. I don't know anyone who owns a gun and, hey, we're free!

    Would it really do any harm to have some tighter gun controls? Yes, you have the right to own your own gun, but should it be so easy to get hold of?

    Once again those who are law abiding citizens have nothing to fear.
     
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    Theres's at least nine dead people in the Virginia area that would disagree. Law abiding citizens do have non-law abiding citizens to fear.

    [ October 18, 2002, 03:57 AM: Message edited by: Bro. Curtis ]
     
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    I kinda figured that the Liberals would start "kickin' and screamin'" gun control every since this God forsakin' shootin' sniper thing started!! And now that we are on that subject--I've been thinkin'!!

    Now is the time for every United States citizen to practice their 2nd amendment rights. Now is the time for the governor of Maryland to call out his Militia!! Deputize every Maryland resident--and have every resident on the "stake out" for this mainiac! When the mainiac is caught--have him run the gaunlet--the first person to "miss" is out!!

    Now, if I want to buy another pistol--Hey! I'm going for it!! I've nothing to hide and I can fill out the papers without having to put a paper bag over my head--I'd strut right on in to the gun shop and tell them "Give me the one that looks like a Bazooka!" Heck! I'll let 'um finger print me--what good will that do when I'll never commit a crime with that hand gun!??

    A word of caution, though! The late Stephen Ambrose tells a story of some hapless American GI's in WW2 out soveineer hunting--one got lucky and found a German Luger and was toteing the stupid thing in his pocket--round still chambered--got to running, fell, and the stupid thing discharged on its own--all of this 2-3 weeks after the surrender was signed and no hostilities were being recorded in that area!! A blessed soveineer killed the chap!! Rule: Don't chamber a round, unchamber the round when there are no hostilities in your area!

    Your friend,
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    M. Wickens, you are right - we on the other side of the pond ARE a paranoid bunch. We do have our reasons, though. (Waco & Ruby Ridge, for two.)Better to be a tad or maybe even REAL paranoid than to be asleep and unaware! :eek:

    OK, Kelly, maybe not ALL liberals are anti-2nd Amendment rights, but ya have to look hard to find one. :D
     
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    M Wickens,

    Not only would we lose freedom, but we would also lose safety. Here is a very miniscule sampling of facts and statistics related to guns and safety.

    (US)Among the 15 states with the highest homicide rates, 10 have restrictive or very restrictive gun laws

    (US)In 1976, Washington, D.C. enacted one of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. Since then, the city's murder rate has risen 134 percent while the national murder rate has dropped 2 percent.
    Two pretty strong correlations

    (US)According to a 1994 study sponsored by the National Institute of Justice, an agency of the U.S. Justice Department, Americans use guns defensively, to protect themselves from crime, between 1.5 million and 3.0 million times per year
    Guns save lives, it's a fact

    (AU)Although Dr. Adam Graycar, director of the Australian Institute of Criminology, calls the NRA's figures misleading, he admitted in an interview with the Associated Press Tuesday that assaults in his country had indeed climbed since 1998 -- the most recent year statistics are available -- but added that "most attacks did not involve guns."
    Attacks didn't involve guns, but the point is they increased and they will continue to increase. A criminal fears an armed victim.

    (UK)But, in many major categories of crime -- robbery, burglary, assault, and motor vehicle theft -- England's per capita rate exceeds America's. If guns make crime easier and more deadly, gun control proponents must explain this apparent contradiction. In America, 13 percent of burglaries are called "hot," where the burglar enters an occupied home. In England, nearly half of all burglaries are "hot." Why?
    Same reasons for the assaults. Criminals fear victims with guns who have every right to defend their property with deadly force.

    Reference Links:

    World Net Daily
    Jewish World Review
    Independant Women's Forum
     
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    SheEagle, you have no idea how much you just made my day! :cool:
     
  20. Don

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    Update to original story (from FoxNews):
    I had a snide comment, but I think this speaks for itself....
     

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