submissive to nonbelieving husband?

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  1. Pine_Island_Mrs

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    I've read the replies under Submissive topic and it seems that most are referring to husbands and wives that are believers and also to the believer's chain of command. Do all the verses quoted there refer also to believing wives but unbelieving husbands. The life situations that come up in this situation are numberous. Yes, I know that God says to not be unequally yoked and that in a perfect world all marriages would be chosen by God, however, we do not live in a perfect world and there are many unequally yoked couples. What is the practical application of the Word on this? God says to at least tithe, but nonbelievers do not understand this kind of giving. A nonbeliever would most likely believe that he's pulled himself up by his own bootstraps but we know better, don't we? Does God have to take it all to prove to him that He provided it? I use the nonbelieving husband because he is the head of the household. Also I know that the Bible says that the nonbeliever is sanctified by the wife. What is that exactly? I know this is lengthy and somewhat rambling but it does make my head spin. Can anyone help?
     
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    The "idea" of a wife submitting to her husband is not limmited to belivers, and non-believers, I'll take it a step further and say it underlines the relationship between all men, and women, not just husbands and wives, it sets the standard between the relationship between men, and women, this is why we also get 1 tim. 2:11-13:
    2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

    2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
     
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    You asked about a non-believer being sanctified by the believing wife. I believe that is referring to God putting a degree of protection and blessing on the unbeliever for the believers sake.
    As far as a saved wifes submission to an unbelieving husband. I believe the Bible is clear on this. The wife is to be in submission to the husband, as the husband is to be in submission to Christ. Even if the husband is not in submission to Christ for reasons of his not being a believer or being backslidden, if he is not asking her to do something unscriptural, I believe she should be submissive, for possibly, through her testimony he will come to know the Lord, or repent if he's backslidden.
     
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    So, Rooster, it was wrong to free the oppressed women in Irag? They were being submissive to their husbands, to men in general.
     
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    AVL, I understand and agree with what you said except I need clarification on the "not asking her to do something unscriptural" part. Let's use tithing as an doctrinal example and "little white lies" in life like not getting permits required to do work on your home. I know believers that believe that God, at the very least, wants us to give of our abundance (tithe is a good starting point) and to obey the laws of the land (get that permit) while the unbelieving husband diagrees with both. Should the wife ignore that tithing/giving part and the permit part and just go along with the program? At best, verbalizing the she disagrees but not forcing the issue or nagging him. Would I be safe in saying that God understands.
     
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    They also weren't Christian women. You stated in the OP that you were talking about Christians. Why bring the non Christians into play here Brenda? They have nothing to do with your OP.
     
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    They also weren't Christian women. You stated in the OP that you were talking about Christians. Why bring the non Christians into play here Brenda? They have nothing to do with your OP.

    AVL, I don't know what an OP is but the subject topic is "Submissive to nonbelieving husbands?" That's also why I started this new topic because the Submissive topic seemed geared to believers.
     
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    Your compareing apples with oranges. And those subisive women live a life that is closer to Gods will for them, although under tyrants, that is why God judged those Iraqi males (not fit to be called men), but yes they lived a perfect example of a submisive women Biblicly.
     
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    In the cases you mention, the permit requirements and tithing. In tithing, if the husband gives you a certain amount of money to buy groceries, etc., as I've seen many husbands do, the wife tithes off of that money. It seems that God has stretched the money further for them when they've done this. In the case of the permit, I don't feel it is wrong to voice your opinion in the matter, but not in a contentious way. Remember, the husband is the head of the home and is ultimately responsible for the problems he causes, though all may suffer for it. If he doesn't listen to your opinion, give it to the Lord in prayer. I've watched my mother and others go through this, and have had some great examples both of the way to do and the way not to do these things.
     
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    Brenda, OP can be either Opening Post, or in referring to the poster themselves, the Opening Poster.
     
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    If we were to assume that we no longer need to act as Christians because we're not in the vicinity of Christians, then we've got another thing coming.
     
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    Johnv, I'm not sure I understand your post. The quote you refer to was meant to simply clarify why I start a new topic: because I understood the earlier topic "Submissive" seemed to have responses directed to couples who where both believers. I never intended to insinuate that christians should ever act as nonbelievers for any reason.
     
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    Brenda, if a spouse marries an unbeliever, they must still be submissinve to the unbelieving spouse.
     
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    in other words, "you were the one to marry the idiot" You made your bed, now lie in it.
     
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    In a sense, and as cruel as it sounds, yes. You shouldn't walk into a Chinese restaurant and then complain that they don't have pizza on the menu. Likewise, you shouldn't marry an unbeliever, and then complain that he's an unbeliever.
     
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    Administrator, please close this thread. My husband is NOT an idiot and I'm am NOT complaining. I am a born again christian who was saved by God's marvelous grace many years ago but who as a new christian was not knowledgeable enough to withstand Satan's onslaught of a new christian. I backslid. That sin cost me a great deal. My first marriage was part of that loss. I remained single for more than 25 years (and backslidden). Eighteen months after getting married, God thumped me on the head with cancer and I repented and have since tried to glorify God. I do give him all the praise and glory. By posting, I was simply trying to better understand my role as a christian yoked with an unbeliever. I will gladly "lie in it" and trust God's grace to save him. I don't believe God would have me divorce him just because he's a nonbeliever. As I said, we don't live in an ideal world. Why do you find it necessary to attack and talk down to people?
     
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    AVL, thank you for your honest and straitforward answsers. I do appreciate them.
     
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    Brenda I didn't know you were talking about your self, so nothing I said was a personal attack, and for another, all I was doing was telling you what the Bible says about the matter, if you don't like it don't get mad at me, you not rebelling against me, God is the author of the Bible, not me, God says he will do the judgeing, not me, but if you come here to look for an answer to a question, and you dont like the answer, don't get mad at me. I wish not to insult you in any way, I have a strong deep rooted love for women, if not for any other reason, because God tells me too. so with that said, may God bless you, and peace sister.
     
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    Brenda, I, too, was not addressing your situation as a specific. I was being general. I meant no offense, so please accept my apology if there was any.
     
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    Closed at the request of the original poster.

    Diane
     

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