Submissiveness

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  1. Scrapper

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    Hypothetical situation....A Christian husband tells his Christian wife that she can't vote in this year's election because he says neither of the candidates are worth voting for. She disagrees and would like to vote, but feels that if she does vote, she would be disobeying her husband's wishes. Does the husband have the authority biblically to tell her this?
     
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    Yes, he can say what ever he wants, but if he truly loves his wife he will not make an issue out of it. Maybe say it in a way of expressing his feelings on the matter, but not commanding her not to vote. the submissivness should be in a voluntering nature, God gives us free will, to obey him or disobey, so should a husband if he truly loves his wife, and let God deal with her, and judge her.
     
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    I agree, of course he can say whatever he wants, but I guess my question is, "if she goes ahead and votes, even though her husband has forbidden it, is she sinning in any way?"
     
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    The submission of the wife is voluntary. If it becomes coerced, that is not Biblical.

    The wife is not sinning; the husband is sinning by making an unfair demand of his wife. He is dishonoring her. He has no Biblical right to tell her not to vote. The Bible does not make husbands tyrants over their wives, but spiritual leaders who act out of love.
     
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    Yes, I think it would be wrong of her. It *may* have been wrong of him to say that in the first place, (we don't know his reasons in any depth) but that wouldn't make it ok for her to do something she knows would cause distress in the marriage. It's not as if he told her to do something sinful. Also, perhaps he is exercising a belief that involvement in politics goes against biblical principles. It's not an uncommon belief.
    If she wants to maintain peace it would be best to not make an issue out of it.
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    "Does the husband have the authority biblically to tell her this? "

    No.

    Voting is a civil right, not a biblical one. Any husband who makes such a donkey of himself is to be a laughingstock.
     
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    Hold on to your hats... I agree with Gina here. Just because the husband MIGHT ( and I am not saying he is) be sinning by setting himself as a tyrant over his wife, that is not a lincense for her to sin by rebelling against his wishes.

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    I think that after a husband & wife have discussed
    & prayed asking for Gods guidence & they disagree on whatever the decision is to be, the husband must make the final decision & the wife should agree to it unless it is in disobidence to God's word.If the husband has been loving his wife as he should she will not have a problem with he's decision as long as she has a submisive heart to God & husband.
     
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    I would love to see some scriptural evidence from the ladys who believe that their husbands must prove all their requests are reasonable to them before they must obey a commandment to submit to their husbands.
     
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    The husband is a jerk.

    I don't feel he has to prove his request is reasonable, but personally, I wouldn't am not married to a man who won't vote.
     
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    And I would like to see scriptural evidence for a husband making such a request.
     
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    Submission is mutual. Do you really think a husband and wife cannot have different political opinions?
     
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    Hear me out ladies. I'm not saying men cant be pig headed morons. I'm probably not going to vote, because I don't think I want to take an hour off work to throw a penny into a wishing well. But if I tell my wife she is not to vote, how can she be in obedience to the Lord while being disobedient to me?

    Ephesians 5
    22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
    23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
    24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

    There is no condition here that the wife must agree to what her husband wants her to submit to. This is talking about a woman, who is joined to a man by God and made one flesh. He is the head, even as Christ is the head of the church. Do we get to dictate to Christ what we will and will not put up with? Some of us may try it, but we will be rewarded for it at the judgment seat. Likewise, ladys, God expects you to submit to your husbands, and He will judge you for how you treat your husbands authority.

    Titus 2
    3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
    4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
    5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

    If you are not obeying your husbands, and teaching the younger women to do likewise, you are causing the word of God to be blasphemed. I don't care if you disagree with what the bible says, I didn't write it. I have just been commanded to preach it.

    You are commanded to obey even if your husband is an unbeliever, how much more so if your husband is born again and indwelt with the holy spirit?
     
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    How can a husband tell his wife not to vote? What is that?
     
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    James Newman said:

    "I'm not saying men can't be pig headed morons. I'm probably not going to vote, because I don't think I want to take an hour off work to throw a penny into a wishing well. But if I tell my wife she is not to vote, how can she be in obedience to the Lord while being disobedient to me?"

    Because she, like you, is a priest of God and responsible to God alone for her actions.
     
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    I think you are wrong, RSR. I think the husband is responsible for her actions, if he leads her and she follows in faith that the Lord will reward her for her submission. But if you have a scripture for your feelings, I'd be glad to entertain the notion.
     
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    It isn't that we strong headed women don't want to obey. It is that men can be morons. Walk right!!!!!
     
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    Here is the Bibles take on the husband/wife relationship: In the Bible it commands women to be submisive to thier husbands, in the Bible it commands men to love thier wives, no where in the Bible does it command the wife to love her husband, and nowhere in the Bible does it command a husband to be submisive to thier wife, this is the chemistry to a healthy, happy mariage, according to the Bible. now if you want to live your life in rebelion to Gods word, then that is between you and God, but if a husband has a wife that will not submitt to her, he should still go on loving her, as God commands, and if a wife has a husband that does not love her then she should go on submitting to him,as God commands, not to please the spouse, but to please God, after all you were the one to marry the idiot, right?
     
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    I would submit to my husband on this for two reasons.

    1.) I love him.

    2.) Because it doesn't go against the principles of God.

    The voting thing--eh. I don't know. I am an avid voter, and I am not married, but those men/man I am interested in are voters as well.
     
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    Heres something else to consider, Women: do not marry a man if you are not willing to submitt to him, and to trust his leadership.
    Men: do not marry a woman, unless you are willing to love her, and not hold grudges against her, and put her happieness in front of yours.(of course putting God in front of everything)
     

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