Subversive People

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  1. Paul3144

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    What do you think about laws against subversive people?

    Florida Statutes:

     
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    I am for it.:thumbs:
     
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    It would make the late Senator McCarthy happy.
     
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    I do not think a civilian should be subject to a military authority under any circumstance.
     
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    I met a subversive person one time when I was a Census enumerator. He did answer the questions, but proceeded to tell me that he hates the government and that he's a revolutionary Communist. I can't say who it was because of Title 13, but I can talk about my experiences as long as I don't disclose any PII or Title 13 information.
     
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    I am all for laws that stop the overthrow of the US Government by violent means. However, the Constitution comes first. The Bill of Rights must be preserved. Military authorties have no place having authority over US civilians. If civilians are involved in such activity as treason or overthrowing the government, then civilian authorities should deal with it.
     
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    Do you also support laws which stop the violent overthrow of the government of the State of Florida?
     
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    If I lived there I would, or any other prevailing authority, state, county, or local. That has nothing to do with mixing military authority over civilians.
     
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    Short piece w/video on the Un-American Activities Committee, don't think McCarthy is even mentioned (lots of Jew's names though); excerpt:

    "The Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) was originally established in 1937 under the chairmanship of Martin Dies. The main objective of the HUAC was the investigation of un-American and subversive activities. Soon after his appointment Dies received a telegram from the Ku Klux Klan: "Every true American, and that includes every Klansman, is behind you and your committee in its effort to turn the country back to the honest, freedom-loving, God-fearing American to whom it belongs."......"
     
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    This is the way the Israelis do it

    Demonstrators attack African migrants in south Tel Aviv
    Likud MK describes Sudanese migrants as cancer; government prepares for mass deportation.
    By Ilan Lior and Tomer Zarchin | May.24, 2012
    Excerpts:

    "Some 1,000 protesters rallied in Tel Aviv's Hatikva neighborhood on Wednesday and called for the ousting of African asylum seekers from Israel.

    Demonstrators attacked African passersby while others lit garbage cans on fire and smashed car windows.

    Another group of demonstrators stopped a shuttle taxi and searched for migrant workers among the passengers, while banging on the windows.

    The crowd cried "The people want the Sudanese deported" and "Infiltrators get out of our home."

    Likud MK Miri Regev participated in the protest and said that "the Sudanese were a cancer in our body."

    The protesters expressed their dismay with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the government's dealings with the "problem" of asylum seekers. Some people carried signs in support of Interior Minister Eli Yishai, who called for the detention and expulsion of all asylum seekers earlier this week....."

    "Following the protest, hundreds of people assembled in the main street of the Hatikvah neighborhood. Several protesters smashed the windows of a grocery store that served the migrant workers community, broke the windows of a barber shop and looted it.

    Police arrested 17 people during the protest, with some of them detained while beating Sudanese migrants......"


    Wonder if some or all of these will find assylum here in the States.
     
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    More Anti-semitism from you I see. :BangHead:
     
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    You're so predictable; like setting off a screeching car alarm.
     
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    I remember reading of an incident at an event where McCarthy was getting ridiculed and just generally slammed by nearly everyone present and JFK stood up and remarked at how great a patriot McCarthy really was and left.
     
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    There never has been a functioning communist government in a major country. The closest would be tribal governments and some religious communes. Communist, commune . . . get it?

    Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, People's Republic Of China, People's Republic of Korea. The titles seem clear and accurate to me.
     
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    Bill, can you guess what all these people have (had) in common?:

    "Julius Rosenberg; electrical engineer; transferred U.S. atomic secrets to the Soviets, sentenced to death and executed in June 1953.

    Ethel Greenglass Rosenberg; wife of Julius; transferred U.S. atomic secrets to the Soviets, sentenced to death and executed in 1953.

    David Greenglass: brother of Ethel Rosenberg; aided the Rosenbergs; was a Los Alamos machinist; passed drawings of atomic implosion lens to Harry Gold.

    Morton Sobell; former employee of the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance; radar engineer and former classmate of Rosenberg.

    J. Robert Oppenheimer; top U.S. nuclear scientist; was in charge of the Manhattan Project; gave the Soviets atomic secrets.

    Leo Szilard; worked with Oppenheimer on the Manhattan Project.

    Bruno Pontecorvo; born in Italy; emigrated to Oklahoma in 1940.

    Morris Cohen [aka Peter Kroger]; spy recruiter; assisted the Rosenbergs; entered U.S. Army in 1942.

    Lona Cohen; [aka Kroger]; wife of Morris Cohen.

    Robert Soblen; fled to Israel; committed suicide while being extradited back to America in 1962.

    Jack Soble; head of a U.S. spy ring which included 'Agent Frost'; members of the ring
    were indicted/arrested in 1957.

    Victor Perlo; the CPUSA's [American Communist party] official economist; was on the War Production Board.

    Lee Pressman; Congress of Industrial Organizations [CIO] lawyer; Communist party member.

    Jacob Albam; an associate of Jack Soble.

    Nathan Gregory Silvermaster; see this powerful quote from a February 25, 2000 FBI public information press release, re: its public Electronic Reading Room: "Nathan Silvermaster Group -- 1,951 pages; Nathan Silvermaster was a leader of a Soviet espionage ring. This espionage investigation from 1945 to 1959 uncovered Soviet placed agents working within the U.S. Government. The case - titled Gregory, using the middle name of Silvermaster - exposed 27 individuals in the Silvermaster ring who gathered information from at least six Federal agencies to turn over to the Soviets. No indictments for espionage were returned against any subjects in the Gregory case by any Grand Jury; however, a Grand Jury did return an indictment against Alger Hiss for perjury." That Mr. Silvermaster oversaw 27 spies -- and that the FBI says so regardless of no indictments -- is significant.

    V. J. Jerome [aka Isaac Romaine]; the theoretician of the CPUSA.

    Alexander Trachtenberg; member, CPUSA.

    Israel Amter; a CPUSA leader.

    "Gus Hall" [Arvo K. Halberg]; U.S. Communist Party chairman; defendant in Foley
    Square trial of American Communists.

    Philip Bart; general manager of the Daily Worker newspaper.

    "Carl Winter" [Philip Carl Weissberg]; defendant in Foley Square trial of American Communists.

    Joel Barr; pal of Julius Rosenberg; electrical engineer; worked on military radar at the U.S. Army Signal Corps lab at Fort Monmouth; recruited by Rosenberg; fled to Czechoslovakia, he assumed fake identity.

    Harry Dexter White [real name Weiss]; Deputy Secretary of the Treasury under Henry Morgenthau; helped create the World Bank.

    Alfred Sarant; pal of Barr; electrical engineer; worked on military radar at the U.S. Army Signal Corps lab at Fort Monmouth; recruited by Rosenberg; fled to Czechoslovakia and assumed fake identity.

    Harry Gold [real name Goldodnitsky]; chemist; part of 1940s Fuchs-Gold spy ring.

    Theodore Hall [real name Hallsberg, also claimed Holtzberg]; worked with Enrico Fermi and J. Robert Oppenheimer; "was the first to provide the Soviets with the crucial information that helped them build the bomb." [1]

    Yakov [Jacob] Golos; chief organizer of spying action through the American Communist party.

    Armand Hammer; millionaire; Communist; head of Occidental Petroleum; one of the world's only millionaire/Communists.

    Samuel Dickstein; U.S. Congressman from New York. Recently-released Soviet records revealed his spying.

    Jonathan Pollard; U.S. Navy intelligence analyst; passed classified material to Israel -- where he is a national hero due to his spying actions."
     
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    In reading what is there it sounds like a Statute to limit free speech by using what possibly could happen as a scare tactic if people speak about certain things. Every action such as murder or harming another is already against the law, but making laws limiting speech that use as a guise of protecting government officials or the constitution is to do away with free speech.
    I would be against the law as written as it is too broad and wide sweeping.
     
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    >Bill, can you guess what all these people have (had) in common?:

    Mostly Jews???????
     
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    Naw, they wouldn't. There are laws against supporting terrorists and or terrorist organizations but . . .

    We now have an extraordinary situation that reveals the impunity with which political elites commit the most egregious crimes, as well as the special privileges to which they explicitly believe they — and they alone — are entitled. That a large bipartisan cast of Washington officials got caught being paid substantial sums of money by an Iranian dissident group that is legally designated by the U.S. Government as a Terrorist organization, and then meeting with and advocating on behalf of that Terrorist group, is very significant for several reasons. New developments over the last week make it all the more telling. Just behold the truly amazing set of facts that have arisen:

    CONTINUE . . .

    Only the little people have to obey the law.
     
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    I had the mumps during the Army-McCarthy hearings. You guys would have loved to run him for president.
     

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