Suggestions for Better Government

Great post Dragoon68. As I noted before the only thing I would change is that [#5] voting is a duty and a priviledge. Only those who are qualified and properly registered should be allowed to vote upon verification of identity.

 

Amen and amen, Dragoon and OldRegular.

 

Detail #2 Dragoon68 interesting...explain what stays and what goes is this the "pain part".
Does Social Security go or does it stay.

Thankyou in advance

 

Consider these two elements:

9. Citizens have to demand an end to games with taxes that hide the cost of government. They must pay the bill and have direct control over how much the bill should be and what's it for.
10. Citizens have to demand an end to redistribution of wealth - personal and state - by all forms of government. The government does not exist to make poor men rich or rich men poor but only to provide a system of justice between them.

They are redundant; they are one and the same

 

Dragoon you don't think Exxon/Mobil are recipients
of Corporate Welfare....they are getting a major
free lunch and they don't need mine or your money.

and you still have not answered the question about
Social Security under your plan are you going
to do away with it?

and to seque into the full context of mine and KenH conversation on Corporate Welfare and its
free lunch.

KenH said
"It is basically immoral for the government to take money by force from one person and to give it to another person. I know that a certain amount of this will go on because of the fallen nature of man and the desire of some folks for a supposedly "free" lunch. But we need to keep this to a minimum and as under wraps as possible."

Where is this rampant KenH are you talking about
taxes on the rich or taxbreaks for the rich..and how do we pay our fair share..you are being very
general give some specifics...but basically you
know and I know it is the middle class that is
the engine of this country and my goal would
be to protect them and take stress off them...we
should always give a hand up and not a hand out
and we have reformed welfare...and even though at times it looks like special interests snd lobbyist rule the day it is still "We The People" that is our government. The free lunch these
days is to Exxon/Mobile.imho

KenH said this
I disagree. To allow a person or a corporation to keep more of his or its money is not a free lunch. That is liberal/socialistic thinking that all money belongs to the government and that it is a "cost" to the government if our taxes are lowered.


KenH you know as well as I do I am referring to
corporate welfare ..just look at the new energy
bill it is a giveaway to people like exxon/mobil
stick with the isssue...I never said what you
said...CORPORATE WELFAFE KENH COME ON SPELL IT
AFTER ME ...C O R P O R A T E W E L F A R E

Exxon should use its own money and not tax payers
money to drill and not bilk the taxpayer.


President Bush on Monday signed into law $14.5 billion in tax breaks for U.S. energy companies and incentives to develop alternative fuel sources that he said would lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil in the future.

now why does exxon/mobil need a tax break when
they are hauling in 3 bllion profit every 3 months
that is every 3 months and pure profit..and they
are sitting on cash or around 18 billion ..it may
be higher now..so why do they need a tax break
when they canpay for it themselves. That KenH
is pure corporate welfare and you know it.

PERIOD ENDING 31-Dec-04 31-Dec-03 31-Dec-02
Net Income 25,330,000 21,510,000 11,460,000

Operating Activities, Cash Flows Provided By or Used In
Depreciation 9,767,000 9,047,000 8,310,000
Adjustments To Net Income (309,000) 344,000 1,053,000
Changes In Accounts Receivables (472,000) (1,286,000) (305,000)
Changes In Liabilities 6,333,000 1,130,000 365,000
Changes In Inventories (223,000) (100,000) 353,000
Changes In Other Operating Activities 125,000 (2,147,000) 32,000

Total Cash Flow From Operating Activities 40,551,000 28,498,000 21,268,000

Investing Activities, Cash Flows Provided By or Used In
Capital Expenditures (11,986,000) (12,859,000) (11,437,000)
Investments (1,074,000) (273,000) (1,114,000)
Other Cashflows from Investing Activities (1,850,000) 2,290,000 2,793,000

Total Cash Flows From Investing Activities (14,910,000) (10,842,000) (9,758,000)

Financing Activities, Cash Flows Provided By or Used In
Dividends Paid (7,111,000) (6,945,000) (6,386,000)
Sale Purchase of Stock (9,206,000) (5,694,000) (4,660,000)
Net Borrowings (1,951,000) (2,124,000) (307,000)
Other Cash Flows from Financing Activities - - -

Total Cash Flows From Financing Activities (18,268,000) (14,763,000) (11,353,000)
Effect Of Exchange Rate Changes 532,000 504,000 525,000

Change In Cash and Cash Equivalents $7,905,000 $3,397,000 $682,000

KenH no way in blue blazes you can justifie
corporate welfare for Exxon/Mobil they have
their own money they don't need mine in the
form of tax breaks...you know someone will
have to make up that revenue and it will be
the middle class and by the way did you see
Lou Dobbs tonight "Assault on the Middle Class"

basic question KenH why does Exxon/Mobil need
my money when it has plenty of pure profits of
its own to invest and drill?

The people who benifit with Exxon/Mobil welfare
is of course them and stockholders Exxon instead
of drilling can buy back 20 percent of its stock
so it is welfare and the common American is again
left footing the bill. Has nothing to do with
socialism or whatever fearmongering you want to
use KenH Corporate Welfare it is just plain wrong and unjust.

Address Corporate Welfare and whether Exxon/Mobil
deserve tax breaks when in fact the are flush with
cash 18.5 billion and making hyper profits at
3 billion every 3 months ..why do they need my
money and lets not pretend someone will have to
make up those tax breaks to big oil...lets talk
examples and current events as well.. the armed
robbery scenarios are so general.

Look forward to your post on Social Security
and Corporate Welfare.

sincerely Aslanspal

 

We would not have a social security problem if we, as a nation, had not aborted 33 million people. SS is a ponzi scheme that depends upon a growing work force that can support the retirement of each preceding generation. We have crippled that scheme by shorting ourselves of 33 million potential workers, each paying FICA taxes.

Tim

 

Although I'm not in favor of ending Social Security right now, I would like to be able to avoid paying my SECA tax on my ministerial income . . .

 

If you want to see true tax reform, just do away with witholding, and make every worker write ONE check April 14 for his entire tax burden for the year!

The resulting earthquake would send California at least halfway to Hawaii.

I don't think most people have any idea just how much they do pay in taxes, including federal, state, city/county, exise, mandated fees, sales etc., etc.!

 

Don't forget the
seven each 7% federal taxes:

1. Social Security
2. Retirement witholding (because SS won't pay enough for you to retire)
3. IRA /independent retirement account/ (because
SS + your retirement isn't enough to retire
either
4. Medicare - medical insurance for retirement
5. Medicade - medical insurance for welfare
6. (do you know what 'hidden' means?)
7. Inflation hidden tax

 

Dragoon68 said

"Some will retire wealthy and some will retire poor. Christians should step forward to help and care for those in dire need of their own free will and with complete control of what and how they do it."

This has merit, but actually disagree
1.some will retire hyper rich
2.some rich
3.some middle class
4.some lower middle class(survivable imho)
5.poor need assistance
6.impoverished(streets) need assistance

perhaps upward to multi-millions of people could need help from the resources of the church.imho

The Christians now! should be thinking of a monumental culture change and be extremely organized and in mass(you get a better deal that
way).As for conditions?...perhaps, but to show
true unconditional love and meet needs of poor
and street people those conditions should be kept
at a minimum...the attributes of mercy and how
I see it means in the bible is to actually do your
best to place yourself in the shoes of the person suffering.

The church must prove on a massive organized scale
it can help the poor ..and it must be unconditional to a large extent(reveals Jesus that way).

but then again if "we the people" get back to
fiscal responsibility and into the black again
like we did in the 90's I believe we have a
chance...the present course of the new corporate
welfare system is not working and the treasury
is being raided by special interests.

Still my question remains why does Exxon/Mobil
need my money when it has 18.5 billion in cash
and making hyper profits of 3 billion every
3 months ..by all means they can keep those
profits..I don't want it ,they earned it or
had a run of good luck($67bbloil)?

Just a smidgen of the $85 billion dollar subsides
is $2 billion for deep water drilling...again why
does Exxon Mobil need my money when it has its own
to finance drilling?

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I agree with Ed Social Security is not even part
of the whole pie it just contributes to the whole
it is the safety net from catastrophic poverty. People should be acting now!to supplement their whole because Social Security is not going to meet the need...so who steps in ..who runs the
new program ...who is organized...the small
investor will allows get burned by the ones in
the know and the wealthy will always have its
bevy of people looking out for them from tax accountants to lawyers. It is the people who
play by the rules, mow their lawn, go to work
each day, fix up their house, buy an economy
car,pay their tithe faithfully who do not worry about markets on a day to day basis , I am concerned with.An example is Enron employees...educated but still deceived
by higher ups or people in the know, how was that
their fault?...they trusted, they were educated, but still their money was gone...locked in to a
death spiral.

I agree the church stepping in has merit but it
must be on a massive scale ..equal to our governments scale. imho

Sincerely
Aslanspal

 

As an oil company accountant, I agree. I see no reason for subsidies for any company. I see that as a type of welfare. Tax breaks I can go along with as I like to see people and companies keep more of their own money, but I don't approve of any form of welfare.