Supernatural things

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by SaggyWoman, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. SaggyWoman

    SaggyWoman
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2000
    Messages:
    17,933
    Likes Received:
    8
    Sunday morning, I heard a sermon where the preacher talked about finding favor with God, like Mary, the mother of Jesus found favor with God.

    During the sermon, he stated that supernatural things will (only) happen in our lives if we have faith.

    Do you agree with this?

    Is the opposite true: Can supernatural things happen in our lives without faith?

    (I added "only" on edit. I checked my notes.)
     
    #1 SaggyWoman, Dec 16, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 16, 2008
  2. Allan

    Allan
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2006
    Messages:
    6,888
    Likes Received:
    0
    Both are true statements.
    Example of the second position: Peter and James going up to the Temple in Acts. There was a blind man there asking for alms. This man was not asking for healing nor did he know that it was within their power to do such. But Peter stated such as I have to give to you "rise up and walk" - and Peter picked him up.
     
  3. donnA

    donnA
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    Jesus healed people who had no idea who He was, they had no idea He was someone to have faith in for healing.

    yes

    yes
     
  4. North Carolina Tentmaker

    North Carolina Tentmaker
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Messages:
    2,355
    Likes Received:
    0
    I would say no, supernatural things can occur in our lives if we have faith or not. (Matt 5:45)

    But I do believe that without faith we may not see the supernatural things that occur in our lives.
     
  5. Spinach

    Spinach
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2008
    Messages:
    984
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with NCT.
     
  6. donnA

    donnA
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree.....
     
  7. thegospelgeek

    thegospelgeek
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2008
    Messages:
    1,139
    Likes Received:
    0
    Obviously both can not be true. Since Scripture gives evidence of miracles(supernatural events) occuring where no faith is present. Then I would have to agree with the later. Supernatural events can happen when and where God desires. Scripture does give evidence that the presence of faith will make them more likely.
     
  8. sag38

    sag38
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    4,394
    Likes Received:
    1
    Sometimes it takes something supernatural to help us have faith.
     
  9. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    How much faith did Lazurus have?

    God allows supernatural things to happen, simply because he can.

    He does it at his discretion.

    I had a 1st cousin that had trouble walking growing up.
    His parents took him to "healing" services.. where they constantly had him annointed with oil... thinking God would heal him...

    When God didn't, they were told they didn't have faith enough!

    BALONEY!

    But because of this theory (false doctrine) that if there is enough people praying, and we have faith, God will move!

    It is the junk, Benny Hinn, Pat Robinson, Joyce Meyers and all the other false teachers teach...
    It is based on the Word/Faith Movement that says we have power to manipulate God.

    Who is man (or woman) to think that we control God.

    Faith is not a magic spell.
    We do not use faith either to rub the magic lamp.

    Many see God as a genie, granting our wishes as long as we have "enough" faith...

    God is God...
    I have seen miracles on unsaved people as well as those with "faith"

    Blessings come from God because he is a gracious God.
    Not because of something we do.

    Here recently, there was a baby born in our community that was born mentally retarded... his parents and church started praying, his numbers are normal now... It was a miracle from God....

    I have heard some praise God for it...
    But I have also heard people praising prayer for it...

    such as, "Because so many people were praying, God healed"..

    Who got the credit in that... God, or the prayers...

    Many treat prayer as an idol...

    If only one person prayed, God would have healed.
    If no one prayed God would have healed... God healed because HE is a gracious God.

    Does that mean we shouldn't pray? Of course not.. but give God the credit not the people huddled around praying.
     
    #9 tinytim, Dec 16, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 16, 2008
  10. Jim1999

    Jim1999
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have often said, The best prayer offered to God, is the one the person offers him/herself in secret. Then again, read my line below my name. I see that everyday....We pray, asking, and run before God speaks...

    The finger of God is in every pie!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  11. thegospelgeek

    thegospelgeek
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2008
    Messages:
    1,139
    Likes Received:
    0
    The the false doctrine you speak of turns God into a drive thru window...

    "I'll have a #3.. a #6 Super sized.. a higher paying job, 3 healings, and a large bonus check please...

    What's that?? Just pull to the next window to "Name it and claim it"...

    Thank You.
     
  12. OldRegular

    OldRegular
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2004
    Messages:
    22,678
    Likes Received:
    53
    The one supernatural event in the life of every Christian is regeneration, the rebirth. Otherwise I am afraid that there is a growing tendency to treat God as a Santa or genie. We ask and He delivers.

    Some years ago in a study on prayer in Sunday School I presented the following as part of the study:

    The following is an example of a prayer by the Apostle Paul, offered in faith, for a temporal need that was not granted.

    2 Corinthians 12:8,9, NKJV
    8. Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
    9. And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


    Commenting on this passage a man named W. Bingham Hunter [The God Who Hears] writes:

    “Paul’s experience highlights the simple but profound truth that prayer is not the means by which we get what we want, rather it is a means that God uses to give us what He wants.”

    I believe this is the best definition of prayer I have ever heard.
     
  13. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yeah, the name it claim it crowd...

    Here is something funny... I know of a Church of God church that uses a closed down Pizza Hut... I have often teased the pastor (a good friend of mine) when he was going to open the drive thru window....
    :laugh:
     
  14. OldRegular

    OldRegular
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2004
    Messages:
    22,678
    Likes Received:
    53
    TinyTim

    I enjoyed your remarks. I believe that a miracle is when God sets aside the natural law. Lots of things we say are miracles are not. We look at the birth of a child and say that it is a miracle when it is really only the natural consequence of conception. [Perhaps I misspoke here considering that one third of all conceptions are terminated by abortion.]

    I believe that God performs a miracle only when it brings glory to Him, not Benny Hinn or some other kook.The following is a little off topic but I believe it presents something worthwhile.

    I had a man in my Sunday School class some years back who was slightly charismatic. He was going to have surgery for lung cancer on a Monday. He had previously had surgery for cancer of the throat followed by radiation treatment which did considerable damage, some to his carotid arteries; but the cancer was cured. He also had experienced some other serious medical problems and had recovered. On Sunday before his surgery he spoke before the Church and listed each illness of which he had been cured rightly giving God the credit, though God had also used the medical profession. As He listed each one and the outcome he said "That's love" and I agreed. He had the surgery on Monday morning. The surgeon came out and told those of us waiting that there was no reason he should not live a normal life span. [He was about 65-67 at that time.] He stayed in the hospital one week and came home. That night or early the next morning he had a severe stroke that left him speechless and unmoving. Two weeks later he died and went home to be with the Lord. Now I call that LOVE! Jesus Christ died for us and conquered death.[1 Corinthians 15:54] We may not understand it but Scripture tells us:

    Ps 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.
     
  15. donnA

    donnA
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    The background I came from when I was saved using the words supernatural bothers me.
     

Share This Page

Loading...