SUVs plunge toward 'endangered' list

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  1. dragonfly

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    Well, I still love my Jeep. :wavey:
     
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    SUVs, in one form or another, are here to stay.
     
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    I believe that the sooner we dispense with unnecessarily large and gas-ineffecient vehicles, the better. For the Christian, such luxuries are extremely questionable for a number of reasons. They are more damaging to the environment (which, lest we forget, is God's great and wonderful handiwork) and they represent a questionable way to spend money in such a needy world.

    In any event, it seems that economics may settle the matter for us.
     
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    With that line of reasoning, then, we would have to say that all automobiles are luxuries, not just SUVs, so let's all go back to horse and buggy days. It is a very BIG misconception to assume that because someone has an SUV they are doing it for luxury or because they want to contaminate the environment.
     
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    This is not at all where my argument leads.

    Of course, I am not suggesting that we return to horse and buggy. For the obedient Christian, the imperative to care for the environment and be responsible with our money will lead away from the purchase of luxury cars.

    In the majority of cases, an SUV is a luxury that needlessly damages the environment and the money can be better spent. We arguably need cars, but we should be buying gas-efficient versions.

    We play games with ourselves if we think SUV's are not a luxury (in the majority of cases).
     
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    Here's a list of hybrid sedan prices - we prefer to pay off our SUV $9000 balance than going into more than double the debt for a new hybrid, even at today's gas prices (it's called being a good Christian steward of our money) .

    http://www.hybridcars.com/shop-for-cars/sedan
     
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    There are indeed legitimate trade-offs that need to be made. But let there be no mistake - if all other things are equal, buying an SUV is not the ideal decision for a Christian.
     
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    In your opinion, of course.

    http://www.suvoa.com/issues/mythsandfacts/suvfacts01.cfm
     
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    No.

    1. The ecosystem is God's good creation that He will redeem - we damage it needlessly at the risk of judgement;

    2. SUVs in most cases exceed the real needs of the buyer;

    3. SUVs, by virtue of their increased consumption of gas contribute to environmental problems;

    4. The extra money we spend on an SUV could be put to better uses for the Kingdom.
     
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    Deeply misleading.

    CO2 is indeed "natural". But so is salt. Does that mean we can pack salt into our bodies willy-nilly without damaging them? Of course not. Do not be deceived by the above - technically CO2 is not "smog". But too much of it released into our atmosphere is not good.

    There is no doubt - pumping excessive CO2 into our environment will damage it.
     
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    Another misleading statement. The fact that SUVs might pollute less (and be more efficient) than cars from 20 years ago does not mean that they are a responsible choice today. Today, the Christian has the option of buying a more fuel-efficient car than an SUV and it will pollute less. True, cost is a factor and I have no issue with the Christian who is economically "forced" into the less environmentally friendly choice.
     
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    I have no problem with a Christian or anyone who buys an SUV for economics or any other reasons.
     
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    With 1.3 billion people, the People's Republic of China is the world's most populous country and the second largest oil consumer, behind the U.S. In recent years, China has been undergoing a process of industrialization and is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. With real gross domestic product growing at a rate of 8-10% a year, China's need for energy is projected to increase by 150 percent by 2020. to sustain its growth China requires increasing amounts of oil. Its oil consumption grows by 7.5% per year, seven times faster than the U.S.'

    http://www.iags.org/china.htm

    There is more to the issue than Americans who drive SUVs.
     
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    And the "Issue" has no effect on the environment.
     
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    That's what I tried to point out with documentation. Oh, well. :BangHead:
     
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    Most SUVs are not "large" and get close to 25 mpg.

    The "large" ones are here to stay as well. In perhaps smaller numbers.
     
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    You can't stop sermonizing with documentation and silly things like facts.

    You're gonna get the sermon whether you like it or not. The subject doesn't matter nearly as much as delivering the sermon, to the sermonizer.

    It's a self agrandizing compulsion.
     
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    I don't think there is anything wrong with owning a SUV, although I don't own one. I prefer small cars, but if someone is willing to pay the price and the gasoline they can buy whatever they want. I like sport cars, which I cannot afford, but if I could...
     
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    Priesthood of the believer trumps one's opinions imposed. You're making blanket statements that leave out contingencies, that aren't in the "real world" often times, and are based on junk science.
     
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