Swift-boating Giuliani

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  1. Ivon Denosovich

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    Story here.

     
  2. Petra-O IX

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    Swift-boating has taken on a different meaning. I don't think the Swift Boat Vets would appreciate how the Fire Fighters of NYC are using that term but I do understand the hard feelings that they have for ex-mayor Rudy.I would expect Fox news to be smearing these guys next.
     
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    The Swift boaters used truth, these fellas want to distort truth.
     
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    The Swift-boaters used lies and distortions, not truth.

    I can understand how and why you didn't like Kerry, but you should not allow your dislike to cause you to side with liars.
     
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    This is not a firefighter thing this is a union thing. But they know that does not hold much water these days. Unions are in decline and these are largley Kerry supporters
     
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    It never has and never will. If you can overlook all the documented bad things Kerry did, I don't know what else to say. Treason in "his" war is chief.

    Looks like he's taken up the million dollar challenge to disprove just one of the swift boaters accusations. Any bets on him collecting? All he has to do to clear his name is to sign the release for the Navy to release his records. Despite threats and promises to do so, he has yet to, and never will.
     
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    If Giulani has to fear being "swiftboated", he doesn't deserve to be President.

    A candidate should not fear the truth and run for office. He is doomed to fail if he does.

    Ask Kerry.
     
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    John Kerry's problem was that he didn't attack the liars who were swift-boating him!
     
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    Having nothing but blanks to fire will cause that kind of lack of response.
     
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    Actually, his first words to the swifties was "bring it on."

    Two weeks later he was begging Bush to make them stop.
     
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    And no doubt Giuliani fits your definition of a conservative.
     
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    I will be praying for you.
     
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    You do that.
     
  14. Dagwood

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    This illustrates my point, Kerry didn't actually take anybody on, he just kind of stood there and made boring speeches.
     
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    He came way too close. IMO
     
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    All he had to do was allow the Navy to open his file, to prove his position. End of controversy. But he didn't and never will.
     
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    Why do you suppose that is? His non defense spoke volumes.
     
  18. carpro

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    That's a fair description.

    In between, he let the corrupt old media fight his battle for him and they were more than willing to do it.

    But the bell could not be unrung.

    Releasing his military records may have stopped the ringing, but he refused to do so, just as he still does today.
     
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    Here's why:

    http://www.nysun.com/article/4040

    Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by an Ex-JAG Officer

    By THOMAS LIPSCOMB
    Special to the Sun
    November 1, 2004


    A former officer in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve has built a case that Senator Kerry was other than honorably discharged from the Navy by 1975, The New York Sun has learned.

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    Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged.

    "Mr. Meehan may well be right and all Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site," Mr. Sullivan said. "Unlike en listed members, officers do not receive other than honorable, or dishonorable, certificates of discharge. To the contrary, the rule is that no certificate will be awarded to an officer separated wherever the circumstances prompting separation are not deemed consonant with traditional naval concepts of honor. The absence of an honorable discharge certificate for a separated naval officer is, therefore, a harsh and severe sanction and is, in fact, the treatment given officers who are dismissed after a general court-martial."
    With the only discharge document cited by Mr. Kerry issued in 1978, three years after the last date it should have been issued, the absence of a certificate from 1975 leaves only two possibilities. Either Mr. Kerry received an "other than honorable" certificate that has been removed in a review purging it from his records, or even worse, he received no certificate at all. In both cases there would have been a loss of all of Mr. Kerry's medals and the suspension of all benefits of service.

    Certainly something was wrong as early as 1973 when Mr. Kerry was applying to law school.

    Mr. Kerry has said, "I applied to Harvard, Boston University, and Boston College. I was extremely late. Only BC would entertain a late application."

    It is hard to see why Mr. Kerry had to file an "extremely late" application since he lost the congressional race in Lowell, Mass., the first week of November 1972 and was basically doing nothing until he entered law school the following September of 1973.A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar.
     
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    And yet the left persists, when needed, in condemning the Swift Boaters. Bless them for striving to show the public the truth. We came perilously close to having Kerry POTUS.
     

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