Swing States

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    Have you noticed that the more Romney campaigns in a swing state the fewer voters he can count on his side. It is as if people see and hear him and say, "Hmmm, I don't like this guy."

    If you do not believe me check his popularity from last spring until now and see how it has fallen in the swing states. He is running stronger in those states he has not campaigned in often or not at all.

    I do not think it is because Obama is running such a great campaign. Rather it is Romney driving people away from his candidacy.
     
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    Nope not true at all.
     
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    What an enlightened analysis with proof of your statement. Why not prove what you say Rev.?

    By the way Rev. here is one reason Romney is loosing Ohio ... remember his op-ed piece in 2008 Let Detroit Go Bankrupt?

    I thought not. So here is the link .............

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=1&

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    You gave no analysis nor proof of your ridiculous claim in the op. Why the double standard? I responded in the same enlightened way you did bub.
     
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    As little as I agree with you about politics and government, we agree on this point. Any Republican should have won this year. Republicans have a habit of feeling sorry for the Democrats so they give them the election on a silver platter.

    In Kentucky, an obvious red state, Romney's percentages of victory are nothing but a dislike for Obama. Voters here do not like the Mormon church and the way they view Jesus Christ, nor do they like Mitt Romney's record as governor of Massachusetts. In fact, some do not like him based on the state he gained his power in. If one drives through the neighborhoods, one sees less than a scattering of Obama signs, and Romney signs are isolated to the elite communities.

    A telling sign of this is that Obama won the Democratic Primary here by 51-49 against a candidate called undecided. I will put it this way, if Clinton or another moderate/southern candidate was running on the Democratic ticket, Romney would lose.

    Now, taking into consideration that Kentucky is very red, think about the swing states, Florida, Virginia, NC, Iowa, NM, Colorado, NH, and Wisconsin. Lots of people in the swing states like Obama.

    A candidate like Senator Thune of SD would have wiped Obama all over the map. It is obvious that the powers that be have known for some time Romney would lose. It was know long before the elections of 72, 84, 96, and 08 that the losing parties were just going through the motions, which is the case this year.
     
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    It is obvious CTB is exactly right about this one, and you have no idea. It does no good for Romney to campaign in California or Kentucky, as these are set states. If one cannot attract voters in the swing states, then that candidate loses.

    This thread has nothing to do with who one is voting for. It has to do with what the likely outcome of the election will be. So what have you done to ensure New Mexico's electoral votes go to Romney since NM is likely to vote for Obama?
     
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    Thanks Saturn. Not only is he not attracting voters in the swing states, he seems to be loosing them. Again, IMHO, he is loosing them, it is not that Obama is winning them. If Romney did not have to put up with the radical wing of the Republican party I think he would win the election. However, by having to pander to that radical wing he is forced to take positions or avoid honest replies and that is costing him the election.


    True, the thread is not about who a specific person is going to vote for, but why Romney's popularity is declining.

    You mentioned New Mexico. It appears that NM will definitely go to Obama and I feel a major reason is because Romney and the radical Republicans ... including the folk in Arizona ... have alienated the Hispanic vote. There are Republicans who realize that the GOP cannot continue to follow the radical path it is on now. If it continues on this path the GOP will cease to exist as a major party. That would be tragic for the USA. We need two good, viable parties. Competition is good and being forced to compromise is good as it keeps one party from going to far astray either right or left. Those Republicans who realize the destructive path their party is on cannot speak, at least not until after the election. If Romney loses, and it appears he will, the GOP must either sit down and search it soul and change, or continue on to oblivion. I do not want the latter, oblivion, to happen. The USA NEEDS a GOOD TWO PARTY political system.
     
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    Not that third party candidates have much of an impact, but the Liberterian Party nominnee is Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico. Within that state, he might have an impact.
     
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    It would be interesting to know what impact he will have. I expect any vote for Johnson is one taken away from Romney.

    The Libertarian Party was on the ballot of my state. In fact, there were four candidates. Obama, Romney, Johnson and Jill Stein.
     
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    Good idea.

    OHIO
    Quinnipac Poll, Romney
    March 41%
    April 42%
    May 44%
    August 44%
    Sep 43%

    Rasmussen, Romney
    March 40%
    April 42%
    May 46%
    August 45%
    Sept 46%

    Sorry, not seeing your assertion borne out in Ohio.


    FLORIDA

    Quinnipac
    March 42%
    April 44%
    August 46%

    Rasmussen
    March 43%
    April 46%
    August 45%
    Sept 46%

    Fox News
    Apr 43%
    Sept 44%

    Sorry, not seeing your assertion borne out in Florida.

    VIRGINIA

    Quinnipac
    March 42%
    Sept. 46%

    Rasmussen
    March 42%
    April 45%
    Sept 48%

    Sorry, not seeing your assertion borne out in Virginia.

    Hey, nice try though.
     
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    Thanks for looking. I would appreciate seeing the links your used to ind this information. What type of popularity is reflected in these polls. There are many questions asked voters.

    The latest I've seen from Quinnipac is
    Here is an interesting chart; http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1127a41FavorabilityNo41.pdf


     
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    It's no surprise that Obama would be gaining in just about every State...

    After all the economy is growing by leaps and bounds, unemployment is a virtual unknown, the wars have all ended, gas prices are at an all time low... :rolleyes:

    The deficit has been eliminated, the debt should be paid off in a couple of months, racism is a distant memory... :rolleyes:

    Global warming has been reversed and the seas are receeding just as Obama promised...:rolleyes:

    How anyone could not vote for Obama is a mystery to me.
     
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    Thanks. A very interesting link. It is beginning to seem to me that there is so much data available from so many sources that it is difficult to determine just what is going on. On the chart Romney had a slight lead last summer. He then dipped and has come back a bit whereas Obama has climbed rather rapidly and the gap has spread.

    As Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over 'til it is over." It will be interesting to watch.
     
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    True, but there must be some correlation between favorability and who a person will vote for.

    Just one more of many data points.
     

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