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Sword Scripture Text Conference

Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Pastor_Bob, Jan 15, 2008.

  1. Pastor_Bob

    Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member

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    Dr. Jasmin gave so much in his message that I had trouble keeping up. I believe that I did catch his main outline though. His text was Psalm 119:161. He opened with a few statements:
    "We are living in a society that is in rebellion against established authority."
    "The authority of God and the authority of His Word cannot be separated. They are intrinsically connected."
    "The key to God's authority is revelation."

    I. In its production, the Bible is our supernatural authority.
    A. Divine Authorship - It has the breath of God in it
    B. Divine Attestation - It has the backing of God behind it
    C. Divine Accreditation - It has the blessing of God upon it

    II. In its placement, the Bible is our supreme authority.
    A. Above congenial authority
    B. Above church authority
    C. Above civil authority

    III. In its practice, the Bible is our sole authority.
    A. It is a perfect authority
    B. It is a powerful authority
    C. It is a preeminent authority
    D. It is a prescribed authority
    E. It is a predictive authority
    F. It is a practical authority
    G. It is a preserved authority

    Dr. Jasmin then made the following statement in conclusion: "Standing for the authenticity of the KJB is not the issue; submitting to its authority is the issue."
     
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    Rippon Well-Known Member
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    All those "It"(s) . IOW , the KJV and the KJV only is the Word of God all other versions are pretenders -- is that the drift of the conference ?
     
  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Moderator note: Please let Pastor Bob report his findings at the conference. The issues raised may be dealt with in the versions forum. This applies to both "sides" of the debate
     
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    Thank you Bob for your work in reporting this for us. I know what it's like to sit in one of these meetings and try to get everything that is said, and doubly hard when you are trying to record it for others. Good Job!
     
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    I had to leave the conference early this morning. I was able to attend the first two sessions. I will give a report this evening. I had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed each session.

    The sessions are going to be available on CD and DVD through the SOTL. I would encourage anyone who takes a stand on the KJV to get these resources.
     
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    So, basically, the conference is on exactly what many here thought it would be. No surprise in that.

    Thanks for updating us, Pastor_Bob. As was said, it is hard enough to absorb so much, much less take notes and try to remember enough specifics to report to others.
     
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    I say we double Pastor Bob's salary from Baptistboard when he gets back!!!
     
  8. Salamander

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    Eloquence serves the hearer in how it impacts the hearer.

    Of course when one is not impacted by the words used it then becomes a case to suggest illiteracy.

    Would you rather promote illiteracy?

    Are you speaking to me or about me?

    It is commonly accepted in Scripture memorization.

    The KJB should be respected by anyone, but certainly is not respected by everyone.

    The KJB is the most commonly used version in nearly all media formats.

    Understanding the Bible is only carried out by the Holy Ghost who guides Hi own into all truth.

    Usually we find that a scholarly approach to "understand" the Bible leaves one in a quandry, all the while even some of the most uneducated in certain terms, find its truth to be far deeper than the human mind can fully comprehend.

    The Spiritual Book surpasses the mind of the natural man.:wavey:
     
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    Every statement I made was in direct accord with Pastor_Bob's post.

    The advice I gave was that forum was for attacking the KJB and those who hold to it. I don't attack the KJB nor anyone who holds to it.

    I do hope it was alright for me to answer you in accord with the topic as it seems it was alright for you to say things that are definitely NOT on topic.:praying:
     
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    A few posts up I requested that we limit this totally to a discussion of the report, not the KJVO battle.

    Any posts from this point on that do not relate directly to Pastor Bob's report will be removed.

    The thread will be closed following the conclusion of the report on the conference.
     
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    To summarize the conference, I would say that Drs. Sorenson and Jasmin provided solid evidence that the Received Text is the superior text and that the Critical text is the corrupt text. Versions can be labeled according to their textual basis.

    The rest of the sessions were challenges to hold the Word of God in the highest regard and to submit to its authority. It was made very clear on several occasions that this is the highest priority.

    There was no mention of Ruckman, double-inspiration, re-inspiration, or the radical, extreme view of KJVO. I was very pleased that the most common, shallow KJVO arguments were avoided in favor of documented facts.

    I was encouraged and strengthened in my position on the text issue. I believe the SOTL has the proper balance in presenting this position. I signed up for a two-year subscription.

    I will be happy to answer any questions that I can concerning the conference. I will not, however, debate anyone relative to another man's statements.
     
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    The thread will remain open only for direct questions to Pastor Bob and his replies. All other posts will be removed.
     
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    Brother Bob,
    Thanks for the reporting. I appreciate telling us what was said.
     
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    I'll add my thanks, Pastor_Bob. Good job! :thumbs:
     
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    Thank you, Dr. Bob, for your desire to keep us informed. I would have loved to have gone to the conference but was unable to make it. Did the NKJV come up at all. I'm curious if the conclusion was the TR is superior to CT and double inspiration, etc. was not the basis of the KJV's superiority, then can one come to the conclusion that he can trust the NKJV since it is based on the same superior underlying Greek NT Text?

    Thanks again for your report.:applause:
     
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    The NKJV did not come up in the sessions that I attended.

    I'm sorry, I cannot answer this as it was not addressed. I can say that not one speaker gave me reason to believe that he held to a double-inspiration position. That was not a factor, in this conference, in determining the KJV's superiority.
     
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    Thanks for the reports.

    My comment wasn't meant to be a negative. The earlier conversation centered on the texts behind the translations (that I remember), and that was the jist of what I read.

    I definitely agree with upholding the integrity of the word of God, period. Just because my view on what that constitues is a little different doesn't matter... His word is what does.
     
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    Since we both agree, why is it when this type of evidences are given, you think so many still disregard it?

    Always been my stand and will always continue to be just that.

    I certainly appreciate your report, since I could not have gone, it is definitely God honouring to hear such confirming news.

    Since it is that anytime Ruckman is mentioned to the degree of his "teaching" to invite comments that are somewhat valid, that is good that the conference didn't steer into that direction.

    I can still hold to the Received Text without anything to do with Ruckman or double-inspiration guidelines.

    Documented facts hold water.

    Yes, very encouraging.

    I wonder if any other "reports" by others are being made to the contrary?

    When the statements made as you documented, what was the general overall response in the meeting?

    Again, Thanks!
     
  19. Armchair Scholar

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    Thank you, Pastor Bob.

    Did you have to leave the conference before Norris Belcher spoke Thursday night? I have heard the report of another attendee who said that Belcher mocked the Greek and Hebrew and those pastors who "go to the Greek." Belcher also mentioned the KJV's "built-in dictionary" without making mention of Riplinger. At one point, the NIV was referred to offensively as the "HIV." Can you verify any of this? Thanks.
     
  20. I Am Blessed 24

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    Pastor Bob has left GA and is on his way to a basketball tournament in MS. He will be back home tomorrow and I'm sure he will address your questions as soon as he can.
     
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