Take This Christian Music Test

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  1. Frenchy

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    [SNIPPED. Offensive link with graphics/pictures of non-Christian. We don't need or want this type of stuff on our website]

    Take the Contemporary Christian Music Test
    Click Here

    http://www.av1611.org/crktstin.html

    You may be suprised at the results :eek:

    [ May 01, 2006, 03:51 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]
     
  2. Rachel

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    Beware people of clicking on that first link.

    That first link is inappropriate I believe for this forum, so I reported it.
    That website looks disgusting, I wouldn't put any stock in any crud they say.
     
  3. Frenchy

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    What do you mean the first link? the first link has the second link on it. if you scroll down enough you will see christian artist that share the same styles and symbols that the secular ones do. It also has links that you can click onto showing the errors with these artist such as Amy Grant, Michael Smith etc. there is a lot of good info on there showing how contempory "christian" artist are NO different than the worlds.

    If you are a supporter of this garbage (contemporary "chrisitan" music) then i can see why you are having a problem with the link
     
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    Amen Frenchy....not only did I click on those links but I bookmarked them so I could share them at a later time with people that I know are in bondage to some of this false so-called "chistian" contemporary music.So many well-meaning people have fallen into this deception. It is very sad to watch.

    Rachel...I would agree that some of the content on those sites may be inappropriate for pre-teens and even impressionable teenagers...however...SAVED thinking ADULTS and mature believers definitely need to be educated on the wiles of the devil and his counterfeit music.That first site definitely DOES tell the truth in STARK detail. We need to get our heads out of the SAND (musical QUICKSAND at that) and cry aloud before this stuff infiltrates and destroys all our churches AND our young people.

    Hvae a nice day ya'll.God help us all!

    Greg Sr.
     
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    I love how we can get nearly 20 pages arguing about the need for a 'godly outreach CCM ministry' especially using this secular-music-with-christian-like-words attitude...and then hardly a word in this thread when evidence is presented. But in all fairness how can you really argue with this? If I had to defend it I guess I would just hope this thread faded away and enough people ignore it too :(

    The Devil is so good at distracting us by appealing to our flesh and our human desire to "fit in and be accepted".

    Thanks for the links and I also have taken the tests and saved the links for future references.
     
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    Secular music will not "infiltrate and destroy" churches and young people. How ridiculous. You may not like the style, the beat or whatever, but it is just music, people. Don't believe every website that rants against it. This happens every generation...the parents don't like the kids' music. Happened with rap, with metal, with The Beatles, with Elvis Presley, and yes, even with Frank Sinatra. Saying music will destroy anything sure gives it a lot of power it doesn't have. I believe in monitoring what kids read and hear for age appropriate content, but the idea that music, particularly music that praises Jesus, is evil is looking for the devil under every bed.
     
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    Thanks for a good laugh.

    It's always enjoyable to see a few facts tossed in with urban legend, bad research, and faulty logic (Marilyn Manson is evil; thus, all CCM is evil). It's even funnier to see groups villified that haven't had airplay in 20 years--aintcha got any new data?

    I know Freddie Mercury was a pervert...and how, exactly, does this make David Crowder's musical arrangements of the psalms evil?

    Oh, I forgot...1 Hesitations 3:7 (NIMIUV),
    "Certain genres of music art blessed by God; others hath been cursed by the serpent."

    (NIMIUV: New I'm Making It Up Version)
     
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    I have visited the website and I am really impressed. The author really did a lot of research adn has laid our the initial page and all links very well.

    It is sad how the devil decieves many to believe that the music is neutral. Music is not neutral. It feeds the flesh. It destroys many.
     
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    Guys...ya'll can make all the fun you want.....but I just pray that God will give all of us that name the name of Christ the wisdom and godly discernment to see the difference between that that is of the Spirit....and that that is of the world,the flesh,and the devil. I prefer to stand on solid spiritual ground when it comes to music as well as doctrine.The "fruit" of most of this "CCM" stuff is anything but Godly and and it is very much the "fuel for the fire" that drives much of the ECUMENICISM and compromise of our day.Most of the time,sound BIBLE Doctrine takes a hike out the back door when this stuff takes over.....after all...in our day and age it's all about feeling good...isn't it.Why..you can't feel good as long as the good old hymns of the faith and the big bad bible thumping preacher stand up and call us all vile wicked sinners on our way to hell!!! OPEN YOUR BLIND EYES PEOPLE. CCM is of the god of THIS WORLD. God help us and bless us all.

    Greg Sr.
     
  10. Magnetic Poles

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    Bwahahahahahahahahaha! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    I agree rbell.. the very name of the site should send up red flags... "av1611". Most that say they stand behind the av1611 are mislead or are misleading since they don't really use a 1611, but a 1769.. They do not quote from the 1611 on the site, they are quoting scripture from the 1769!!!!
    That makes them, well you fill in the blank ______

    Now if they can't be trusted to tell the truth about what version they really use, then why would I want to believe them on anything else?

    BTW, I love the KJV, I just cannot stand it when "Christians" lie about using the 1611 when in fact they use a 1769!
     
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    If music feeds the flesh, SFIC, then the Church of Christ have it right...music is evil? Wow.

    SFIC, there is no research. The site simply parrots all the AV1611 stuff. No primary sources. Bad logic. Tons of out-of-context quotes, misquotes, and lies. Lots of garbage.

    The things I find funny about the site:

    (1) Can't they find anything less than ten years old to talk about? Man, are they behind.
    (2) I'm sure that sometime in my life I have uttered the words "I," "killed," "mother," and "Theresa." But I've never confessed to ending the life of the famous nun. Amazing how some zealots will twist words to say what they want to.
    (3)This bunch takes demonic scourge and compares them to mainstream Christian music. Can you say extremist, and red herrings?
    (4) Most of the comparisons are about Christian pop. I'm not singing "Baby, baby" in our worship events. But I will sing "the Rising Shout" by Charlie Hall, because it's biblically sound, lyrically powerful, and musically excellent. If you're going to pontificate and prove "everything but hymns is evil," then why not go off on some worship artists like David Crowder, Charlie Hall, Matt Redman, and Chris Tomlin? Tell me what they smoke, and who they sleep with, and what alliances with Satan they have blood-oathed. It seems our AV1611 friends haven't been slandering many of our current (read: last 20 years) worship leaders.
    (5)Just like Bill Gothard and his syncophants who proclaim that eighteenth-century music is the only genre blessed by God, they cannot prove from scripture that the style of music is inherently evil. They ASSUME it is, and then tell us to separate from it.
    (6)As usual, AV1611 is naive historically. They could easily research (primary sources, I might add) the opposition to any and every stylistic musical change in the last millenium. Everyone's convinced that their generation has acheived the pinnacle...the too-old stuff is too antique; the newfangled stuff is evil. They could be intellectually honest and admit that...But that wouldn't prove their pre-conceived conclusion, so they avoid it.

    I'm done shredding their arguments. The challenge is gone.
     
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    Magnetic...I don't expect you to agree with anything I said...however...it is obvious by the visible lifestyles of many of the CCM artists that they are there for the money far more than the ministry and much of what they say and do and how they look and live is identical with their "secular" counterparts. A far cry from the biblical call we bible-believers try to follow when we obey the Lord's admonition to "come OUT from among them and be ye seperate".....but oh yeah....I forgot...seperating from anything or anybody isn't popular these days....Why somebody may think you are a fanatic or something! Can't have that!

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    You know we can do the same garbage to hymns if we want to...
    for example, Let's look at the song, "Just a little talk with Jesus" Now there is a heretical song according to that type of logic.

    It has new age teaching in it...

    It says that a "prayer wheel is turning"
    A Budddhist concept!1 AGHAST!!!!

    How many good ol conservatives are sinning when they sing this song in church?

    I bet it is in your hymn book.... Therfore all your hymns are now corrupted!

    Stupid isn't it?!

    That is the type of logic these nuts support.
     
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    I opened the site and thought it was a spoof. I found it to be full of drivel, urban legends, and distortions.

    This is coming from someone who doesn't like CCM.
     
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    OK, I hate to pull this card, but I will, Greg.

    The context of 2 Corinthians 6:17 is that believers should not fellowship with unbelievers.

    Are you, then, saying that ALL CCM artists are unbelievers? Or could you possibly admit that some of our modern singers/musicians/worship leaders are in fact committed believers?

    This should be an interesting answer.
     
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    Yep...at least I thought Christians are not to bear false witness. Isn't that one of the big no nos?
     
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    Then we should not believe anything on these sites because they are bearing false witness.

    You anti-CCM haters can believe a lying 1611 site if you want to, but I'll stick to my 1769 KJV that doesn't condemn CCM anywhere!
     
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    Part of my history: As a young teenager, I bought into the garbage you're reading on that site...not the fact that Led Zepplin was into junk and that Freddie M was gay...but the other slanderous rubbish.

    I was an obnoxious fool...especially discussing all of the "evil backmasking" mess...until I found out that the study that supposedly substantiated that theory was a complete sham.

    The more I found out about this, the more I found out that these people tend to lie...a LOT.

    I did learn through all this to be discerning...not every hymn writer has it right (see Longfellow's "I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day"), nor does every CCM artist get it right (Michael English...good performer, cruddy morals a few years back).

    But I learned to be faithful and consistent scripturally and logically. Something that AV1611 could not comprehend.
     
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    I came OUT of the classic rock culture when I got right with God.It was one of the very first things God convicted me about.Then...for a time I feel out of fellowship with the Lord and fell right back into that culture almost INSTANTLY.When I got right with God again(praise His Name!!),He immediately dealt with my heart about getting this godless music out of my life.I had also embraced some of the CCM I had heard and the Holy Spirit DEFINITELY moved me to rid myself of it as well.Say what you will friends....I'll never allow that kind of music back in my life or my home. Nothing but traditional godly hymns for me and my family.If the "world" hates it as soon as it starts playing then that is my kind of music.My UNSAVED BROTHER hates my christian music cause he says he "can't stand that religious junk".As belligerent as he is towards christianity he doesn't even realize that he validates my faith and my convictions everytime he says something like that.Ya'll can have your "CCM"...it is nothing but a musical wolf in sheeps clothing to me.The "god" of this world loves that stuff...it is one of his best tools.

    Greg Sr.
     

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