Tales of the Happy Valley "Gestapo"

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  1. poncho

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    Orem, Utah --

    Residents of Utah's Provo-Orem Metropolitan Area live in a valley blessed with breathtaking mountain vistas and a dynamic local economy. Unfortunately, one of the major local industries involves manufacturing “crimes” out of trivial incidents, and processing harmless people through the criminal “justice” system.

    Several weeks ago, a diminutive 48-year old woman named Ginger Anderson, who is a student and employee of Utah Valley University in Orem, was assaulted and abducted by campus pseudo-cops for the supposed offense of fixing incorrect instructions on a campus sign. Although this was described as “criminal mischief,” it was actually within her job description: as an employee of UVU’s information center, she is assigned to direct students to their classes.

    A wall map inside the school’s Browning building was being displayed upside down, resulting in delays, confusion, and other avoidable problems for the students and their teachers. Ginger pointed this out to a fellow employee, who used a magic marker to make appropriate changes to the map, as did Anderson herself shortly thereafter.

    This wasn’t vandalism; it was an act of customer service by a university employee. However, a complaint was made, and a brace of predictably self-important campus officers – each of whom was roughly twice the small woman’s weight -- were dispatched to ambush the woman outside a classroom. Ignoring her entirely reasonable explanations, the officers demanded that she accompany them to sign a citation at the campus police office.

    Read More At: http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2014/03/tales-of-happy-valley-gestapo.html

    Making Cop-Worship Mandatory

    “Get on the ground! Get on the ground!”

    That demand is spat by police into the face of thousands of people every day in this country, many – perhaps most -- of whom have neither been caught in a criminal act nor have been named on an arrest warrant. The refrain is recited by home invaders in paramilitary garb after they have kicked in a door, usually as a follow-up to an attack with a flash-bang grenade.

    It is often performed as a prelude to Taser strikes, baton blows, or other punitive violence used against people who refuse to render immediate and unqualified obedience.
    Once the victim is forced to the ground, the familiar liturgy continues as the assailants chant “Stop resisting! Stop resisting!” in counterpoint to punches, kicks, and other varieties of state-licensed criminal violence.

    This exercise, we are told, is carried out in the service of that most important of all considerations, “Officer Safety.” It is true that the use of such methods is of great practical value to the privileged aggressors in government-issued attire.

    However, there is a sacramental function being performed here, as well: When a police officer – a carnal emissary of the divine state, an accredited member of its punitive priesthood -- orders a citizen to prostrate himself, he is, quite literally, demanding worship.

    The Greek word translated as “worship” in the New Testament is proskuneo; it is related to such English words as “prostrate” and “prone.”

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    One officer explained to the Commission that the use of the “prone-out” was “pretty routine” as a way of intimidating the targeted public and imposing a proper attitude of contrite submissiveness. According to that officer, “aggression and force are the only things these people understand.”

    This is why such people must be ordered to prostrate themselves before the Holy State and its anointed representatives – and then beaten into submission and caged if they resist. With evangelistic zeal, police have spread this gospel at gunpoint from inner-city neighborhoods in Los Angeles to the farthest reaches of rural and suburban America.

    Read More At: http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2014/03/making-cop-worship-mandatory.html

    Again to clarify once more for the good Rev who is most likely struggling at this very moment to find another way of making apples appear as oranges this is not in anyway meant as an indictment of an individual cop or "all of them" it's calling the system itself into question.
     
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    Sometimes the more pentecostal type officers command people to raise their hands in worship as well.
     
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    It would seem that worship of the state and it's uniformed functionaries is quite common among all denominations these days.
     
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    I know that I give 10% (if I round up) to my state anytime I purchase something.
     
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    That's not worship.
     
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    You are right. It is not.
     
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    I know! Others want you to lay your hands on the wall or a nearby vehicle, as if these objects need healing.
     
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    Y'all don't want to discuss the first article then I take it?

    What's the problem can't find anything humorous in it?
     
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    The first one was boring. The second one was outstanding.
     
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    That's what I get for posting two articles in the same thread I reckon.

    It must be a slow week JonC. Not the usual activity around here. Shopping days I imagine. Hail Walmart.

    The regulars are here though doing what they do best. Siding with the state against the people.

    Some things never change.
     
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    Quite a story. Not humorous at all.

    Are you contending this is the rule rather than the exception?
     
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    I'm saying there is a problem here and it's got nothing to do with how many or who they are.

    The problem is the system. It's broken. It's authoritarian and parasitic. It's bad government the type that elections don't change.

    The Police in This City Haven’t Killed Anyone in Five Years

    For decades, the city of Richmond, California was considered one of the most violent cities in the America. Just a few years ago, the city was among the top ten most dangerous places in America. While the city’s crime rate has seen a significant decline in recent years, it’s still a fairly dangerous city, with a total of 16 murders occurring in 2013. And like any city with a history of violence, you would expect to find an equally draconian police force to keep the population in line. However, you would be pleasantly surprised.

    See more at: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-...one-in-five-years_112014#sthash.ZMfTXWkl.dpuf

    Maybe Frank Serpico is right, eh?
     
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    You haven't made enough of a case to indict every policeman and police department in the country. Not even close.

    You would need thousands upon thousands of these "stories" to even come close. Keep digging.
     
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    I'm starting to wonder if the Texas you live in is on planet earth. On this planet it's man's nature to sin and he is easily corruptible. Evidently that's not the case on your planet.
     
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    Poncho - to make such a claim, you would need to provide many more stories about Texas policemen. You know it. A few anectdotal stories does not an entire corrupt police force make.
     
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    Where do you guys keep coming up with this "every cop and entire police force" stuff?

    I've heard of putting word's in someone else mouth but you guys are making up an entire argument I've never made and giving me credit for it. What's up with that?

    http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/what-is-a-straw-man-argument
     
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    Using 2010 statistics, there were almost 500,000 people sworn in with local police departments as active duty police officers.

    There were only 1575 complaints filed for using excessive force, including deadly force.

    Now I don't know how many arrests an officer would average in a year, so let's pick a ridiculously low figure and one easy to work with, and say it's 10.

    That's almost 5,000,000 arrests with 1575 complaints for using excessive force. Assume only 1 in 10 is reported. Well....you do the math.

    Hardly an epidemic. Before you indict 500,000 police officers as jack booted bullies, you need to come up with a whole lot more evidence, poncho. A whole, whole lot more.

    Before you make generalizations about the hiring standards and training of the 18,000 law enforcement agencies in this country, you need a whole lot more evidence. It could be that a good many of them already used the hiring standards and enhanced training Mr. Serpico recommends. But you have no idea which ones do and which ones don't.

    Rants may look good in a forum, but they don't do much toward making such a broad case against so many people and entities, other than the ones directly involved.
     
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    You can try to hide behind the word "system" if you wish, but it won't fly.

    The "system" is 18,000 law enforcement agencies and 500,000 law enforcement personnel. If the "system" is broke, that covers them all.
     
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    Ok, two can play that game. Carpro's argument is "every cop and the entire police force is corruption free"

    Which is bunkum!

    Ha debunked! Gotcha! :rolleyes:

    I'm still going to choose Frank Serpico's opinion over yours.

    Quite simply I believe he's more knowledgeable and experienced in this area than you and he offers ideas to improve the police force instead of framing a different debate and offering no positive ideas.
     
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    Poncho, I usually respect your opinion even if I disagree with it, because you've done your research and come up with a plausible conclusion. Even of I don't come to those conclusions myself.

    However, I'm disappointed by this OP. The first story isn't even about the police force. It's about "campus cops". The second "story" is pure opinion and sensationalism, and quite frankly, nonsense. Police officers want people to get on the ground because they want to be worshipped? That's insane. I suppose the military wants to be worshiped when an enemy surrenders and is told to get on the ground?

    You can do better than this, Poncho. You are letting some of your naysayers drag you down.
     

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