Talking the Walk - McCain's Faith

I wonder.... would you mind doing a similar, completely objective, unbiased evaluation of Barack Obama's faith?

Please include the part about doing a little "blow" and voting to deny babies born alive during an abortion medical care and embracing his pastor's liberation theology and, if you want, you might even include an evaluation of the effect of being raised as a Muslim in Indonesia.

I would read it if you would write it.

peace to youraying:

 

Yup, me, too. Compare apples to apples, etc. Might be an interesting read.

 

Adam bit the apple and see what it did for him. I wouldn't bite... ! :laugh:

 

If I recalled, when I became a member of the BB forums a question was asked regarding my statement of faith. It's open to the public and all on this board.

Some of us here (on the BB forums....not necessarily this thread), have less impressive statements than McCain's simple statement.

Waiting.

How about it BaptistBeliever?

Pony up or enjoy eating your foot!

 

Interesting, the first two responders tried to derail the thread into a discussion of Obama's spirituality.

Give both men a break. OK? None of us are totally correct when it comes to our believe in God.

 

Yup, so typical here. Let's not talk about problems with McCain, lets derail the thread and talk about how bad Obama is.

If this stuff is all true it is not surprising. I think it is obvious that far too many people think part of the gospel is voting Republican.

 

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That includes Muslim's... :thumbs:

 

I take issue with this because of the last phrases...

I'd like to see either you or BB show me any evidence of this. I've seen people claim Palin is a Christian, but McCain ? Who's done it, and listed those reasons ? It is the most repulsive misrepresentation of people on tha BaptistBoard that I have seen recently. It's an absolute lie.

And I think it's an EXCELLENT challenge.

 

Some here have been told that to vote third party is not a godly decision.

If the shoe doesn't fit, my brother, than please don't try to put it on. I appreciate your insight and balance.

I guess I read the list you quoted in a different light, not as fact, but as satire. Christians do tend to forgive a lot if the candidate, McCain or anyone else, is in the right party and 'not as bad' as the other guy.

 

Perhaps, then, you could find the unbiased, objective article from "Christianity Today" that addresses the part about doing a little "blow" (directly from Obama's book: not questionable Republican websites) and...

voting to deny babies born alive during an abortion medical care (directly from the records of the Ill. state Senate and video from same; not from questionable Republican websites)...

and embracing his pastor's liberation theology (directly from Obama's book: not questionable Republican websites) and,

an evaluation of the effect of being raised as a Muslim in Indonesia (directly from Obama's book: not questionable Republican websites).

I just want to find someone willing to do an objective, unbiased evaluation of Obama before election day.

I was hoping you were the one, since you were so unbiased and objective in evaluating McCain.

Can such a person be found?

peace to youraying:

 

I don't think this is possible, everyone in the country is either pro or against Obama. I don't think there is one neutral American but I could be wrong.

 

I probably wouldn't have responded at all on this thread except for the early responses. This is a legitimate question. Not one that can be shoved under the rug by turning the mirror around. I'm supporting McCain, but if we can't say that he's got warts then we are indeed hypocrites.



I think there are people of genuine faith in politics. I think that anyone in politics must consider constituents of faith or they won't last long in the political arena. They are a powerful force (obviously diversified and complicated as we've shown).

To say "I'm saved and forgiven" may indeed be enough of a testimony. It may also not be enough. We all know how easy it is to talk the talk. Some elaboration would have helped us to know. We just don't have enough. It's not really our call to make unless we are in the position to personally speak with/witness to him and that probably won't be happening - for most of us . . . Having said that, I do know why it's come up - there and here. The GOP courts the religious right. It's bound to come up. So when it does, you better have a real answer then, hadn't you.

 

Not agreeing with Obama on mulitple positions, I did find this:

http://www.brianbowen.com/?p=188

 

Let me be perfectly honest with you.

In this election, I will not make my choice based on McCain's faith, or lack there of, or Obama's for that matter. We can look at faith, if you like, but I care about their political philosophy. I care about their positions. I care about their character. I care about their history, both inside and outside of politics.

There are many things about McCain that has troubled me over the years. There is no question in my mind, however, that he is honorable, humble, and deeply committed to doing what he thinks is right for the country. He has the experience to be president.

What has bothered me is that few people in the media care about Obama's philosophy, positions, character or history. Very few people, that I have seen, who are supporting Obama, have given any of these things serious thought.

McCain cheated on his first wife and divorced her nearly 3 decades ago. He doesn't try to run from the facts. He says it was his greatest personal failure. He has been humbled by his failure, which is clear in the way he responds. Despite that, many Christians will not vote for McCain.

What was Obama's greatest personal failure? Do you remember his answer? Neither do I, because he said nothing of substance.

Obama says in his book that he "did a little blow" while in college. That means he used cocaine. We don't know how extensive his use was. We don't know if he used crack cocaine once and never again. Or if he used powered cocaine continuously until elected to the state senate. Or if he became addicted to cocaine and had to be treated for substance abuse. We don't know. Why?????? Because no one in the media wants to ask the question. No one supporting Obama cares enough to look at it closely, or they are afraid they might find something that will make them think twice about their support.

Christianity Today will write extensively of McCain's moral failures in his first marriage. They have given Obama a pass on cocaine use. That puts their objectivity into question.

FTR, I know there has been unfair criticism of Obama on the internet and on the BB. That is unfortunate, because there are a lot of legitimate questions that go unanswered because they are lumped in with the unfair criticism.

peace to youraying: