In the thread entitled, "The slavery thread to end all slavery threads", I posted the reasons given by several southern states as to why they left the union. These statements are similar in nature to the Declaration of Independence that was published in 1776. These southern declarations gave in no uncertain terms, the reasons why the southern states seceded. What comes across as clear as a bell is how important slavery was in causing the rebellion. It is also clear that the slave holding interests, those who owned the several billion dollars worth of human property, were making the decisions that lead to secession. The southern leadership was obsessed with what they thought was a serious threat to their peculiar institution. I don't see how anyone, even southern partisans such as there are in this forum, can read these documents and still say that the issue was not slavery but "state's rights". To content that the issue was not slavery after reading these documents either brands a person as not very bright or intentionally dishonest. Bear with me here. I am not calling any of you dishonest. Because I think you probably had not previously read these southern declarations. But after reading them, it will take many twists of logic to dismiss them and still say that it was only "states rights", and not slavery that was the cause of the rupture.