In the recent threads on end times, I attempted to insert a bit of historical view that would hopefully impact the thinking of some on the BB (not that I really expect that to happen - but to give such at least a chance). Because the Apostle John lived a full life and died toward the end of the first century, there were outstanding teachers, preachers, martyrs which had direct and were first hand witnesses to and in some cases disciples of the Apostle John. One of the most outstanding items is that EVERY one of them were Pre-mil. Now, if John was an Apostle (and he was) then it would seem as though he would have diligently corrected the "error" and teaching of end times these people did. There is absolutely NO RECORD that he did. So, here then is the problem. On the BB there are those who would contend for a view of the Revelation that the Apostle did not teach. On the BB there are those who would contend for a view of the prophets that the Apostle did not teach. On the BB there are those who would attempt to dispute with the actual writer of the Revelation in desire to preach and teach what the Apostle John would dispute. How then can such ones make claims that those that teach and preach what the Apostle John taught and handed down to those he taught claim that John is "bewitched?" And to think that some of the BB actually find it amusing! Can ANYONE name a single disciple of John or one that John had direct contact with that was NOT pre-mil?