Teen Forcibly Removed From Parents for Homeschooling

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  1. Rufus_1611

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    Action Call as German Homeschooled 17-year-old Sentenced to Child Psychiatry Unit By John-Henry Westen

     
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    If we are not careful this kind of thing will start happening here in the United States. Mainly with a President Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Why would you think that?

    Germany also doesn't allow parents to name their children odd names like "Songbird".
     
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    Because of the Democrats big government push. If a person believes that government is the answer to people's problems, and if a person believes that the "religious right" is dangerous, it is not a leap for that person to believe that it is best for all children to be educated in the public system (ie..no homeschooling, no Christian schools, etc). I don't know that President Hillary Clinton "would" do something like that. However her belief system, and the belief system of most other democrats and some republicans, would allow her to do that. Either way I am sure she will continue the policy of making government bigger and bigger. Thus even if she does not enact those very laws she will continue the path towards those laws. The larger our government gets the fewer freedoms we have.
     
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    On this issue they seem to be preserving Hitler's legacy in more ways than one. :tear:
     
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    The last time I checked, the President doesn't have the authority to "do" this. It would require the passage of a bill in both houses of Congress.

    It would more likely be a Republican, not a Democratic measure, since the President's "No Child Left Behind" act gives the government the authority to remove homeschoolers who don't meet the testing standards, and place them in public schools for remediation.
     
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    In the late '70s-early '80s, there were lots of problems with Welfare bureaucrats who considered it their duty to save kids from fundamentalist parents. I was in some of these battles and it was scary. Homeschooling was considered abusive by definition. The Reagan revolution and thousands of us right-wing extremists changed the mood in the nation and the intrusions by bureaucrats dropped off sharply.

    We have a different situation now. Homeschooling is well-entrenched. There are many legal precedents. Any battles will probably look different. But it's as sure as a tax increase that socialist utopians want your kids under their tutelage, not yours. What they will try remains to be seen.
     
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    Is everyone ignoring the fact that this is illegal in Germany? No matter how "wrong" the law may, or may not, be at this point in time it is illegal, and if you break the law you must expect there will be consequences. In the US homeschooling is not illegal, although children that are homeschooled must meet certain testing standards. I think it is a very large leap to assume that this is going to happen in the US anytime soon, mainly because this law has been on the books since the WWII era. If Germans do not agree with this law then they need to take the proper steps to have the law repealed. Having Americans whine about how this is somehow going to erode the right they already have to homeschool is not going to help their cause none too much.
     
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    Yes and no. If someone was allowed to create a monopoly you would have much less freedom.

    The larger governement helps to create freedoms for the person who has little or no power.
     
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    Here's the problem. There may have been a Hitler-instituted law but the European Court of Human Rights so often used against Christians has now been denied to Christians to use for their own purposes. It clearly states in one section:

    "No person shall be denied the right to education. In the exercise of any functions which it assumes in relation to education and to teaching, the State shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching is in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions."

    And yet the German Court said, "it was in the children's interest to become part of that society. The parents' right to education did not go as far as to deprive their children of that experience," the ruling said."

    In essence the parent's have no rights if they conflict with the governments.

    I'll tell you something. If the government demand that I send my children into a public system that I disagree with then I will fight it or I will leave the country.

    And do not think it cannot happen in the UK or the USA or any other country.

    In 1930 the vast majority did not see and could not have imagined in their wildest dreams the events of 1939.

    That's 9 years - a very, very short time.

    You know what it takes to bring about this change? Just another severe terrorist attack. An investigation that reveals the adult was "home-schooled" or taught privately, it led to them being a culture within a culture and to bring every one in line, and get them all singing off the same song sheet they enforce public education.

    If you think it can't happen you are seriously wrong. If you think blind obedience to the government is required, I disagree. We obey them in as much as it does not infringe on our responsibilities to God.

    In the UK, at the moment, it is possible to home-school, but it is being made more and more difficult.

    Don't think it can't happen to you.

    BTW, I find it interesting that everything that goes wrong now is laid firmly at the door of George Bush but when a suggestion is made that Hilary could potentially make changes all of a sudden there is a democracy again with senates and a house etc... just an observation.
     
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    Bush regularly practices imperial presidency with his "signing statements", more than any of his predecessors. Laws are introduced and passed by Congress, but too often when he signs them into law he adds a signing note "reinterpreting" the law.

    http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070126.html
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060309-8.html
     
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    This process makes it sound like the USA is more of a monarchy than a democratic republic! In essence, the facade of the senators and other democratic systems can be completely over run by President XYZ making amendments at the last moment? Is that correct?

    Maybe we should save this for another thread. :)
     
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    You mean President "W" XYZ don't you? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    :thumbs: President G. "WXYZ" if your alphabet is not so good. :)
     
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    Yeah, this should really belong on the 'impeach the prez' thread, but I thought it was relevant to your question..
     
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