Teen Girls Face Hate Crime Charges Over Anti-Gay Flier

The 10th Amendment is the amendment most ignored by liberals and they have succeeded in perverting the 1st and the 14th the most in order to make Americans conform to their view of how society should function.

 

You cannot insert a 10th amendment argument where there isn't one. Sorry that's how the law works. Again, perhaps the "right" would gain some ground if their lay people, i.e., those non-lawyers on the outside looking in, would stop belly aching about a violation of the wrong amendment. Just a thought...

 

I think it would be correct to say, Dragoon, that we no longer need a national legislative body or state governments of any kind.

After all, we have the Supreme Court and "judicial review".

 

I just learned something. I already knew that libs believed in judicial legislation but I did not know that they stood boldly by it and proclaimed it. If anything in this country needs to be fought against it is this horrific and terrible injustice, this grab for power and this attempt to control the country while avoiding the checks and balances put in place. Somebody show me where Hamilton said he supported judicial legislation. I am so amazed at this notion the I have had to pick myself off the floor. Dear God what have we come to? It is far worse than I thought. And some think the President is dangerous. Nothing he has done compares to this.

 

I wonder if some posters here would feel the same if these girls had targeted a Christian with their fliers?

 

Then you have not learned much. The right and conservatives are just as much for judicial legislaion as everyone else, when it goes their way. C'mon look at the case history and legal precedent. You certainly dd not seem to mind when the court broke over 200 years of precedence to determine Bush v. Gore. Judical review is judicial legislation. That does not mean the court has not abused their power of "imterpretation" over the years, because they have, but that has never changed the fact they have always had the power to exercise judicial review. Closer reading of my posts might have revealed that, but all some of you see is a "liberal".

 

A hate crime is a hate crime, so, yes I would feel the same way if these girls had targeted a Christian. We do not have the right to harrass and attack someone because we are mad at them, nor do we have a right to hand out hateful fliers on school campuses for revenge.

 

I would feel no differently.

 

Christians, perhaps more than many other groups, have to live with insults and the hate of others, yet there is no proposal floating around that offers to make a protected group of Christians. I wouldn't support it if there was.

I doubt seriously if I would have given their insults a second thought.

I doubt that you would have either.

 

I would say "PRAISE GOD!!!!! For his word is true"

And would count it a blessing.

 

Just out of curiosity.......... are you a defense lawyer? :laugh:

 

It may or may not suprise you that there are people who do target Christians every day. I can't sit down and cry about it. What do we do? We stand up and proclaim the precious name of Jesus AND warn others of the wrath of God.

That's how I would feel. I wouldn't run to the City, State, or Federal government. I don't need big brother. The Lord is on our side (if we are proclaimu=ing truth,)

 

Out of couriosity, would it be different if I was holding a sign across the street from a school with a picture of two boys kissing with the words "God hates fags."
With no specific targeting to one person?

 

No, I am someone who, when I can and feel like it, answers questions by providing information.

 

Yes, you would be an idiot, but one within your legal rights.

 

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Originally Posted by tragic_pizza
Slander, libel, defamation of character, assault.

<personal attack deleted - LE> No attorney of any kind would believe slander and libel and defamation were criminal offenses.

 

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Well, I think what Tragic Pizza is stating is a civil tort and not necessarily a criminal action. Hate crimes can fall under the criminal actions; while slander or libel (in this case because it is written) must consist of the three items mentioned by Tragic Pizza, First, there must be "malicious intent" this can be proven by the attacks leveled against the victims. Finally, it is almost impossible to have a tort of libel against a famous person. This is the reason people can get away with slandering the president and there is no civil suit.

Now, hate crimes are relatively new laws put into place to keep people from seperating people out and viciously attempting to stir up physical assaults or other such actions. If that is the intent of these girls, it will be quite obvious by reading their material. Like many other politically-correct issues in the United States, it is very possible that the state has gone overboard and the pendulum has swung too far in the wrong direction. It seems like when we try to stop something, we don't use common sense and we go way too far in the opposite direction and in doing so, if we are not careful we loose rights.

If these girls did break the law, they should be punished and it seems as if they are getting off fairly easy considering their past rap which the judge must consider when he sets the bail or pre-sentencing.

Iknow of a case of malicious slander. It was against myself and my wife because I wrote an e-mail to the pastor and he refused to answer so I took it before the church. He spent forty five minutes reading a one page e-mail while adding at least 35 minutes of his own lies and half lies. Now, THIS is malicious slander and if I wanted to, I could sue him for that reason. Since I do not believe that he is a Christian, then it would not be suing a brother in Christ. (I won't get into all of the reasons.) Then simply because I answered publically, he had the deacons vote us out on a special business meeting night where only 20 showed up and the deacons (mostly old senile men) and their wives voted that they didn't want to fellowship with us any more. The other church members did not vote or voted no.

Of course, I knew something was wrong when the pastor told me that when we took the job of cleaning the church for very little pay -- He told me that if we left the church we should quit the job. First off, I don't know if this is legal; but, in watching him I realized that he was never truthful to anybody. He was a chronic liar and I think he suspected that we would find out and either back his actions or if we didn't he would see to it we were kicked out of the church. He has a problem in hating people. One REAL GREAT Christian and witness had to leave the church for the same reason--he just left before he was kicked out. He would talk to me about this man and tell me how much he hated him. I also told him a woman was going to trip over a power-cord he left across the floor and he said, "Good, if she falls, then we wouldn't have to put up with her anymore." (She was elderly.) Another man who went to Texas for the winter, he told me he wished he would stay there so he wouldn't ask questions in business meetings. He told me he just hates people who ask questions in business meeting.

The week before they kicked us out he came up to me and I actually thought he was going to appologize and he told me my life was full of sin and I needed to repent "to the church and him". He said my wife did too and she wasn't there to defend herself and hadn't been there in four months. He said this in front of about eight people he set up for witnesses. I asked him if he thought he needed to repent and he said he didn't sin like I did, so he didn't require any repentence.

My whole point behind this is that THIS is maclious slander because he told many things in front of the church and to the deacons privately that were both lies and for the malicious reason of getting rid of us.

When I was Baptised, we are allowed to ask for whoever we want to pray beforehand. I asked for a certain man and he said he would rather not have him pray because he was a big sinner and he hated him. I wound up having him (the pastor pray), if I had only known.

We also own a Christian radio station and we ran their services on Sunday for $50 a month to cover the entire town in FM stereo. He dropped us out of the budget without telling us. But, I'm glad because after what I have seen I do not want him preaching on my radio station. The Lord saw fit to raise my salary at work the EXACT same amount that me and my wife made cleaning and doing nursery work. The Lord gave the radio station a church Sunday school that started donating exactly $50 a month. Don't tell me there isn't a God.

But, we must remember, there are also corrupt pastors.