Terms we use

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  1. Jim Ward

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    For several years now I have been seriously bugged by some of the terms we use in evangelism and in our testimonies.

    I have been going through the Bible and can find no support for:

    1) Asking Jesus into our heart

    2) Asking to be saved

    3) Praying to recieve Jesus


    The more I search for these and cannot find them, the more convinced I become they are adding to the true gospel.

    Can anyone share with me the Scriptural support they have for using these terms?

    Thanks.


    Jim
     
  2. Dr. Bob

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    They are often catch-phrases of the "easy believism" movement that is intent on numbers "converted" (so-called).

    Just pray this prayer.
    Just ask Jesus.
    Just DO something.

    Does this not smack of "works" to anyone else?
     
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    "But what does it say? 'The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart' (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, 'Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame'".
    Romans 10:8-11 (NKJV)

    Looks to me like one has to do SOMETHING. (Very un-Calvinistic, I'm sure!) :D
     
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    AFTER regeneration. Any works PRIOR would negate Eph 2:8-10.

    THAT is the confusing factor. We DO repent and believe and call on the name of the Lord. But we confuse those "good works" as GIVING us salvation, instead of the first response of a heart already wooed by the Spirit to the Lord.
     
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    So we would say those "good works" (repent, believe, call) are done to show our ACCEPTANCE of salvation? Our AGREEMENT with our salvation? Our THANKS for our salvation?

    I see your point, Dr. Bob...just looking for how we would describe the "good works" AFTER regeneration.
     
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    I have a real problem with it and I am not a calvinist. It does smack as easy-believism, yet some are saved in spite of what they do when they believe and trust in Christ. Many times I ask if they will take my hand as an outward sign of believing in thier heart. This is after a long time in scriptures dealing with sin, death, hell, judgement and the substitutionary death of Christ. I then pray with them and ask them if they would thank God for saving them by faith in His Word. Too many people have answered my question concerning their salvation by, "I prayed the prayer!".
    Thanks -----Bart
     
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    What about the words, "with child", instead of pregnant. We should still be using that term in training our boys and girls.
    Thanks -----Bart
     
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    To me the argument can be summed up in two different terms:

    1. Get saved (commonly used today)

    2. Be saved (commonly used in scripture)

    #1 is an active verb--our initiative.
    #2 is a passive verb--God's initiative.
     
  9. Jim Ward

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    If not smacking of "works" it is at least smaking of being extra-biblical and as far as I am concerned, is promoting a false gospel, though I would have to answer with a "YES" to your question Dr. Bob.
     
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    Thanks Tim
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    Jim, I think those terms came about because we make such light use of the word "believe." The word in the Greek means much more than intellectual affirmation, which is something we use it for everyday. The biblical 'believe' means to put one's trust in, to rely on, to have faith in, etc.

    So while we do have the 'easy believism' of 'say these magic words and you will be saved,' or 'just agree with what the Bible says and you will be saved,' the term as used by Paul when he told the jailor that what he must DO to be saved was 'believe' means much more than that.

    The biblical concept of 'believe' is to rely on, to have faith in. In an effort to go back to some of these early meanings, some of the above phrases came into use. But they also have been misused, as in "Jesus is my COpilot" when the fact is that Jesus must be (to use the same allegory), my PILOT, and I'm the cabin attendant!

    The ideal meaning behind asking Jesus into one's heart or praying to be saved is that of completely dying to self and casting one's entire faith and reliance on Christ, which is definitely what the Bible tells us to do.

    This also has nothing to do with Ephesians and other 'predestination' verses, as these passages tell us that those who believe have been predestined to and for certain things, not that they were predestined to believe and the rest of the world excluded from God's love and grace. That is denying the essential character of God Himself.

    The phrases you mentioned are probably not good, and are widely misused, but I think they are attempts to get past the idea that it is enough to simply agree with intellectually, which James tells us even the demons do....and shudder.
     
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    Wow. Can we transport this discussion to the "General" forum? I'm really tired of 23 threads on "The Passion" when here we are dealing with a very real issue.

    Seriously - appreciate the good comments.

    Get saved v Be saved. LIKE THAT!
     

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