Texas Republicans Continue War on Women's Health

There is no such thing......you are asking should she beieve in this at HER expense, or, the good people of Texas.....Government pays for nothing, as it generates no wealth....it can only sieze:

5. To take quick and forcible possession of; confiscate: seize a cache of illegal drugs.
Wealth....

Question to you then: Should those of us who strongly believe that abortion is a moral evil and wrong have our wealth siezed via taxation and utilized to pay for the abortions of those who want to have it?

everyone....by Federal law has access to health care....show me one person denied treatment (legally) at the emergency room of any hospital in this country and you win. Free abortion services and "health care" are not the same thing....

 

Yet you only mention women in the O/P. You do like to change the subject once you've been ferretted out......

A joke, you are.

 

Since I asked you about this first and you are avoiding the question I will try one more time. Using your example what does ectopic pregnancies have to do with PP losing tax payer funding?

 

Just as rare as an ectopic pregnancy that reaches the point of endangering the mother's life. (remember, statistically, that point is .05% or less)

No more hypothetical than your arguments.

 

Yes.... I noticed that too....when did men enter the conversation...:laugh:
Pretty soon, it will be a question of Repubs wanting to torture Cavalier King Charles Spaniels for fun:

http://cdn-www.dailypuppy.com/media/dogs/anonymous/kiba_cavalier_king_charles_spaniel_01.jpg_w450.jpg

http://dogbreedinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Cavalier-King-Charles-13.jpg

(only the ones with the REALLY big round tearry :tear: eyes though)...:tongue3: Now, I challenge you Bro. Curtis...defend this dog-torture of yours....:laugh:

 

Hey, if yer husband has an ectopic pregnancy, (since this is about men) would you allow him to abort that nasty clump of cells he's been punished with ? Because, y'know, the republicans just want him to die.

 

I would never support the saving of the life of 1 woman, at the expense of millions of murdered children.

PRAISE GOD for the Texas Legislature's support of Women's Health, including the health of hundreds of thousands of unborn women...

 

Crabby reminds me of Herod the Great - advocating the slaughter of thousands of innocent unborn so that he can get that one abortion that he thinks that he can justify.

 

I'm trying to figure out why this is a big deal for Crabby.

Wasn't Obamacare supposed to answer all of the healthcare needs of the poor?

Shouldn't all the poor women of Texas have medical insurance subsidized by Obamacare?

Has the law that says that hospitals have to treat every person that walks in the door with or without insurance been repealed?

 

Closing this shortly, it's now on page 11. Thanks. LE

 

This has been asked and answered.

Most of the people who have answered are against taxpayer-funded abortions, not against taxpayer-funded healthcare. Texas is trying to make a distinction between the two. In response, the government has said "either with abortions, or not at all." Thus, Texas is forced into the position of not at all - and is subsequently vilified for taking a stand against the murder of unborn human beings, being characterized as against women's health.

One thing I have to point out: Planned Parenthood has issued a statement, and CTB has echoed it, that ectopic pregnancies are the #1 cause of maternal death. I can find *nothing* that supports that statement, other than PP's own literature.

Note: Ectopic pregnancy is identified as "pregnancy with abortive outcome"

Lady Eagle, would you consider leaving this open long enough to give Crabby a chance to try to refute the facts of the matter?

 

So your source is from 2000 (which, by the way, is using statistics from 1992), and mine is from 2011. Guess we'll let others make up their own minds.

 

Well, huh. There are a lot of websites out there echoing this thing about ectopic pregnancies being the #1 cause of maternal mortality in the first trimester; and they all seem to be using the same study (that used data from 1992).

Got anything more recent, CTB?

 

What a bunch of junk. You want to try to save 20 women a year (if you bothered reading your own statistics you quote), at the expense of MILLIONS of murdered children. You, sir, are a sick individual.

19.7 women per 1000 have an ectopic pregnancy, and of that, 33 out of 10000 die (3.3 percent). That is a MICROSCOPIC number, compared to the millions of children SLAUGHTERED every year by the sick, evil people who are in favor of abortion.

Let me say again in a more direct way; people in favor of abortion are murderers, sickos, and absolutely do not have the love of Christ in them. I am completely unaware how you are even getting away with this post, since advocating pro-abortion positions are specifically against the rules. Saying, "We won't pay for your knives, planned parenthood, but we will pay your employees and your light bill" is ADVOCATING ABORTION.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Furthermore, MANY ectopic pregnancies correct themselves. It is NOT a death sentence. There have even been cases where ectopic pregnancies have been carried to term. Trust God. Don't stab your children (or pay a hit man to stab them for you).

 

Your situation was a true emergency. I am sorry about your loss.

However, doctors make these kinds of decisions everyday, to try to save the life of the mother. Doctors even have to, many times, decide between which of two fully grown adults will live. That is understandable. No law allowing such needs to be in place, nor does this need special funding for organizations that perform millions of elective in utero murders.

Further, you cannot argue right and wrong from experience. A man who lost his wife in a normal pregnancy, might well argue that getting married and having children is not worth it. That does not mean he is right.

Ectopic pregnancies survive.

http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2007/11/ectopic-survival.html

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43193...was-carried-outside-mothers-womb#.T6NH8dU-r_w

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7427907.stm

 

Havensdad, that is a very profound truth!

And in saying that I am not being dismissive of TCassidy's experience. My heart goes out to him. My wife was able to bear only one child but we were blessed to adopt two others. That was prior to 1973. Now we have six wonderful grand children, the blessing of our old age. Praise God if he allows me to live a few months more I will hold my first great grandchild.

As to tubal pregnancy; I can remember almost 50 years ago rushing my sister to a hospital because a doctor thought she had a tubal pregnancy. [Just happened to be back home on vacation.] Turned out to be a false alarm but had it been true I would have either lost my only sister or a wonderful niece.

=============================================

I am going to digress somewhat and speak to the sin of abortion, of the blasphemy of those "professing Christians" who support, by action or inaction, this continuing slaughter of the innocents and its impact on this country.

Not long after the decision by those seven black robed men [Were they out of the pit of hell?] legalized the slaughter of the innocents C. Everette Koop stated the following: "Abortion is an atrocity changing the whole thought process of our country. More than a million unborn lives a year cannot be violently terminated without taking its toll on us as a nation." Consider what has happened to the country since then.

1.Over 50 million unborn children have been slaughtered since 1973.

2. Fifty percent of marriages end in divorce. This nation is well on the way to become a nation of sluts and whoremongers!

3.The nation no longer understands that homosexual lifestyle is perversion and an abomination before God. God judged Sodom and Gomorrah for this same abomination and they were pagans. Are we now under his judgment?

4. An infamous pastor is frequently quoted, and derided, for saying: "God damn America"! Can we honestly get on our knees and pray: "God bless America" knowing the above to be true. Better that we say, similar to King David: "Have mercy upon me [US], O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my [OUR] transgressions." [Psalm 51:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.]

5. A decadent people chose a person to occupy the White House who had always swilled at the government trough, who had fought in the Illinois Senate to allow the slaughter, not just of the unborn, but of the new born. This person could not be there without the support of a multitude of "professing Christians"?

6. Under the evil plan of this person and his "handlers" the nation is on the road to bankruptcy and chaos.

7. I ask again: Are we under the judgment of God?

Koop's remarks from: http://www.pathlights.com/abortion/abort08.htm

 

Complete statement by Koop from: http://www.pathlights.com/abortion/abort08.htm

Read it and weep folks. His remarks are prophetic!

A Physician Speaks About Abortion

This chapter was written by the former Surgeon General of the United States, Dr. C. Everett Koop.

Abortion [killing infants before birth], infanticide [killing infants after birth], and euthanasia [killing adults] stand before us like dominoes; the first to fall has been abortion on demand. It is a grave issue. Nothing like it has separated our society since the days of slavery.

It simply isn't true. Abortions in the United States for rape, incest, to protect the life of the mother, or to void a defective fetus comprise less than five percent of all abortions. The rest are performed just for convenience. And we're talking about one million abortions a year.

Rape practically never results in pregnancy. Studies in Pennsylvania and Minnesota concerning rape and pregnancy show that as many as five thousand rapes have occurred successively without a single pregnancy . .

Most people do not know that the younger the mother is the more likely she will suffer sterility later if she has an abortion. Studies in Canada indicate that sterility is as high as thirty percent among women fifteen to seventeen years old who have had abortions . .

Protection of the life of the mother as an excuse for an abortion is a smoke screen. In my thirty-six years in pediatric surgery I have never known of one instance where the child had to be be aborted to save the mother's life.

When a woman is pregnant, her obstetrician takes on the care of two patients—the mother-to-be and the unborn baby. If, toward the end of the pregnancy complications arise that threaten the mother's health, he will take the child by inducing labor or performing a Caesarian section.

His intention is still to save the life of both the mother and the baby. The baby will be premature . . The baby is never willfully destroyed because the mother's life is in danger.

Infanticide was the second domino, and it fell very silently. Unless you know someone who talks about his work in an intensive care unit for newborns, there is no way the public would know about this. Abortion is legal. Infanticide is murder.

It is still illegal in every state in the union; yet for some reason when a newborn baby is starved or in some other way allowed to die, the law turns its back. It isn't that the law doesn't know about it because reputable medical journals publish papers where authors acknowledge that they have engineered the deaths of babies under their care . .

Corruptive forces are exerting an influence on medical men and women in this country. Some obstetricians admit that they abort because the patient wants them to, even if it is not medically required . .

Zoologists and biologists say life is a continuum from fertilization until the death of the organism, whether earthworm or baboon or fox or pigeon. Is it different for man?

We're just smoke-screened to death.

The medical profession must not let itself be pushed by society and by our social planners into the role of social executioner. For as the medical person becomes an abortionist, he becomes the social executioner of the unborn.

As he allows infanticide in his intensive care unit, he becomes the social executioner of the newly born. In days ahead, he may well be required to commit euthanasia and become the executioner of the elderly.

"Parental rights are [now legally] gone. Spousal rights [of the husband] are gone. The rights of the child are gone. Legally, a minor child may now have an abortion without her parents' knowledge; but, technically, she cannot have her ears pierced for earrings without parental consent.

Abortion is an atrocity changing the whole thought process of our country. More than a million unborn lives a year cannot be violently terminated without taking its toll on us as a nation.

Japan has records of more than fifty million legal abortions since World War II. That country is less than one percent Christian. Here in America we will destroy a larger number than that in the same amount of time, and we're supposed to be a Christian country.

I have spent thirty-six years in the practice of pediatric [infant and child] surgery, longer than anybody else now practicing in this country . .

Some raise Exodus 21 as a proof text that God doesn't regard the unborn child in the same way as He does the newly born child. But if you read the text carefully, you will find it says that if a man in an argument with another man accidentally strikes a woman and she has a premature birth, there is to be a fine. Nothing here is premeditated.

But if any further mischief is done—and I take that to mean a deformity of the baby or the death of the baby—then the old law applies of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Francis Schaeffer checked the exegesis [meaning] of these verses with five Hebrew scholars and was convinced that God means just that, and in no way does He mean to down-grade the worth of the unborn child.

The story of the incarnation leaves no room for doubt. The angel told Joseph, "That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." From the moment of conception God had entered human life. The soul that I am has also existed from the moment of conception . .

I have always been interested in the fact that when the preborn John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth's womb because of the presence of the Lord in Mary's womb (Luke 1:41,44), He—the Lord—was a very tiny baby. [John was six months older than Jesus, and already well-enough developed for vigorous movement.] He would not have been discernible as an individual at that time, but He certainly was a Person.

Our churches must get educated. That means they've got to find somebody who can talk to them about the origin of life. Many of our people don't realize that by the twenty-first day—before most women even know they are pregnant—the baby's heart demonstrates its first feeble beats.

By the sixth week the adrenal gland and the thyroid are functioning. A child's fingerprints are indelibly in place by the twelfth week. Abortion kills a developing human being! No matter how old or how large the organism is when he/she leaves the womb, that emergence—by whatever means—is still a birth. .

An orthodox Jewish law student gave up a year of his time at Boston University to go to Akron [Ohio) to fight legislation through the courts. He sought passage of an ordinance requiring that a woman know what the unborn child she is aborting looks like by having the physician show her a picture of a fetus of the same gestation [age] he thinks her child is.

The ordinance passed. It also asked that the woman not have the abortion until twenty-four or forty-eight hours have gone by after she has signed the papers for operative permission.

But the pro-abortion forces do not want the pregnant woman to know what she is aborting and they don't want her to have the time to think it over.

But this idea is contrary to everything happening in this country; there is a tremendous movement now for informed consent. Legally, if you bring a child to me for a hernia repair; I can't tell you that he should be operated upon or even schedule him for admission unless I tell you all of the possible good and bad results from that hospitalization.

With abortion, the counseling is not done, and the clinics do not tell you about alternatives to abortion; but worse yet, the pro-abortion people get terribly upset if somebody pushes for informed consent . .

I believe that infanticide, now practiced illegally behind closed doors, will become legal and eventually, for certain types of deformity, may become mandatory.

I believe that through the Living-Will, passive euthanasia will become so much a part of our culture that after we've had it for five years or so we will adopt active euthanasia.

So, what will be next? The parallels that can be drawn between Germany with its holocaust and America here and now are frightening. We are too close to the abyss. We are right at the edge."—C. Everett Koop, M. D., as told to Dick Bohrer, in "Moody Monthly," May, 1980. Reprinted by permission