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Featured Textbook Misleading Many Seminary and Bible College Students

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Revmitchell, May 22, 2014.

  1. Yeshua1

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    When one come to the text in Genesis itself, and reads and studies it, the case for the younger creation, no gaps, no evolutionary processes are right there spelled out...

    The problem comes when one first takes as 'accepted" scientific "facts" concerning dating/evolution, and then try to have the texts address and accomodate them!
     
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    There are actually two trees in that verse: The Tree of Life, and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. My take is they are literal trees. Note that there is at least a "Tree of Life" planted in heaven. Revelation 2:7, 22:2 and 22:14 indicate those in heaven will eat from it. It is unlikely this is the original Tree of Life, as the curse of the ground would have affected it as well as all other plants on Earth.

    The phraseology in both the Hebrew and the Greek do not indicate euphemistic language regarding either tree, therefore while both are types -- the Tree of Knowledge being a type for disobedience. God warned Adam not to eat from that tree. He failed to heed this, and further failed to protect his wife by warning her of God's judgment. By eating of the tree, they gained knowledge of good and evil by experiencing good and evil through their choices.

    The Tree of Life is a type for the love and salvation of God.
     
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    Nevermind if YEC or OEC cannot be squared with scripture. Job 38 teaches we were not there, and we do not know. The textbook being addressed in the OP is a Calvinist screed. Why would anyone worry about how misleading it is?
     
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    Dr. Millard Erickson denies particular redemption. It's rather hard to be labeled a Calvinist --even a moderate one, by denying that central component.

    So Van, as usual, you are ... wrong.:type:
     
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    Anyone who denies Millard Erickson is a Calvinist has not read his book.

     
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    Can one legitimately be called a Calvinist who denies particular redemption?
     
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    Yes, only 5 point Calvinists deny that 4 or 3 point Calvinists are Calvinists. :) Word games to change the subject from the man-made doctrines of Calvinism. Been there, done that.
     
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    Oh, so as an Arminian/semi-Pelagian you get to decide who meets Calvinistic requirements!
    Are you saying that you were once a Calvinist?
     
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    That is not at all what I meant. But I doubt very much you understand Hebrew enough to talk intelligently on this. Words of course have literal meanings. But stories, books, myths, whatever... they have a different point or purpose than you or I perceive.

    And so I wonder, what is guiding that final statement that Genesis is "not written in that manner. It is to be taken literally..."? How do you know that? I think it far more consistent to consider Genesis through the lens of Ancient Near Eastern culture that mythologized story rather than think everything was about the event recorded. For them, the story was important, not the event. The chronology wasn't important, but the theology behind the story. In this case, Israel's God is the creator and overcomer of chaos and wilderness and has prepared a promised land for his people.
     
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    From comparative religion standpoint of ancient myths, the most you might say of the Genesis account is that it is simply one of many other similar ways to describe creation by a deity. What makes Genesis unique is that it is ascribed to the God of Israel, YHWH. We of course take this account to be inspired by God. But that doesn't mean Moses (or whoever) was not influenced by the cultural milieu of his day.
     
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    Hard to take you seriously when you see Rev. 21-22 as heaven. It's new creation! Heaven on earth! Paradise! God's dwelling is now with humanity, not the other way around!!! How can you suppose to speak with authority when you neglect such a basic yet important truth???
     
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    :applause::applause:
     
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    Statements like this is why liberals have no credibility when it comes to scripture. None at all.
     
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    Rev, so I guess you might say, ignorance is next to godliness?

    Rob
     
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    Hmmmm... do I want to be deemed credible from a fundamentalist? Nah... I'm good.
     
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    And, from that standpoint (one of unbelief) the most you might say of the Gospels is that Christ was simply one of many other similar religious figures.



    What makes Genesis unique is that it is true, and Christ, the Creator, appealed to the truth of it more than once. "Have ye not read . . . ?"

    But from the stand point of the unbeliever, that might have been just the cultural influence on Jesus.

    We're told that Moses came out of Egypt. That he fled and spent many a year in cultural detox, if you will. And we're told that God spoke to Moses, and that Moses spoke to God "face to face," and that Moses face glowed for a while after being in God's presence.

    So the question is, does one believe these accounts or not?
     
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    Hate to have to wake you up, but ALL here hold to some form of "man made" doctrines, as NONE since the Apostolic age have been interpreting and writting down theology with inspiration!
     
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    Wou;dn't Dr Erickson actually be an Amyraldist, and haves't that view been acknowledge as being within calvinism, like a sub group of it?
     
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    That is my point about Genesis and creation.
     
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    Fundamentalist actually do have the correct views though regarding the insperation/inerrancy of the scriptures...

    Now can disagree with how they have interpreted them, but not their views on what the scriptures are!

    Are you saying that Moses complied together all various creation accounts, and God inspired to him to record genesis down based upon that?
     
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