Thank God for Fred Phelps

What ? ? ? ?

 

Plenty of other men and women are able to speak out on political issues without bringing shame and dishonor on the name of Jesus Christ.

 

I had left the board and came back to add just that Tentmaker. Someone besides Fred Phelps - who makes a mockery of the name of Christ - will stand up for what is right. Many on this board I'm sure. How about you Aaron?

 

But in the same breath just because you don't like the man doesn't make him unsaved either. Do you know Fred Phelps and whether or not he has accepted the Substitutionary death and shed blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, on his behalf a sinner?

And just to go on record I do not support this man. But just because I don't agree with his views doesn't mean he isn't saved.

I'm going to assume you mean saved etenally by this statement, and if that is the case then that is a mistake. Eternal salvation is not based upon one's rebellion or surrender to Christ. That is only possible after eternal salvation is complete and then it becomes a choice of the saved individual to obey or rebel.

Just because we are children of God doesn't mean we are all going to be obedient children. Hebrews 12 makes that pretty clear.

 

Looks like ol' Aaron has finally gone off the deep end. [can't select smilies (laughing) from the phone browser].

Seriously, Phelps was probably molested as a boy, and is just taking it out on everyone else. That's what often happens. You either go one way and embrace the lifestyle (and try to judtify it) or you snap and go the other way like this (to try to squelch your own negative feelings).

To let this drive you to forgetting that ALL have sinned, and you exempt yourself from the equation and presume to be on "God's side" against all of sinning humanity, you become "contrary to all men" in the sense Paul spoke regarding Christ-rejeting Israel.

 

Sure. I'm so happy that Fred Phelps proclaims that our troops, the Virginia Tech shooting victims, the Amish schoolhouse shooting victims, Jerry Falwell, President Bush, you, me, and anyone and everyone who is not a member of Westboro Baptist Church, and perhaps even a few of them, are all going to hell. That makes me very glad.

The guy is a nut who has taken an idea to the farthest extreme possible, on par with the Nazis. He should be avoided by good and decent Christians, not upheld and paraded.

 

I looked at the links first thing Aaron. This battle can be fought without Phelps's hatred.

 

Fred Phelps does NOT speak for me, nor do I believe he speaks for those brave men and women who died for their country whose memorial services he seems to take pleasure in desecrating.

As Lee Greenwood once sang:

"And I'll gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today!
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land! God Bless the U. S. A.!"

--ktn4eg
(Retired USAF and Tennessee Air National Guard)

 

Speaking in a way that Phelps does may oppose such legislation but it brings a type of discredit to the debate as well. We need to distance ourselves from such hereticle men and stand on truth alone. Otherwise we are percieved to say the same things he says. I want no part of that.

 

I thought that was pretty obvious .

The Bible says we are saved by God's grace through faith apart from works. If he has believed in the Substitutionary death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, on his behalf a sinner then he is eternally saved no matter who may protest or who may dislike it.

You can't tell that man's heart any better than anyone else. Heart reading is God's job alone.

Exactly my point. So I don't see where it advances any cause to question someone's salvation.

Amen!

So when Fred Phelps shares the gospel with someone he doesn't talk about the death and shed blood of Jesus as the Substitute? Can you give some documentation if that is the case. And even if it is now that doesn't mean he has never trusted in that. There are some folks that have believed according to Scripture and then have later gone off the deep end.

Well unfortunately the extremes are in both camps. There are those like Phelps that concentrate on the wrath of God to the exception of His love and then there are others that only talk about the love of God and leave out His wrath. Both are incorrect and give a misguided picture of Who God is.

Yes you are clear, but there are saved people that will purposely not yield to te Holy Spirit's conviction of their sin. It doesn't make them unsaved, it makes them rebellious.

 

I don't know a whole lot about the man, but from what little I have been exposed to him I would certainly say that some of his views would not be supported by God. And I really don't care to find out more about him .

 

I don't like Fred Phelps. At all. Even if I have never met him.
I hope I don't see him in heaven, but that's not for me to decide.
As far as this earth is concerned, if an American soldier dies in combat and he happens to be from my neighborhood, and Fred Phelps or any of his likes ever come over with their hate banners and all those stuff, I guess I'll have to spit on the ground and ask any of them to cross over and if any of them does.............

 

Absolutely!

2 Timothy
3But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!


1 John 3
14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.