I'm curious about the makeup of the 144,000 in Revelation 7. The tribe of Dan is excluded from the 144,000, but the tribe of Joseph's son Manassah is included. So the natural question is, why? And why not Joseph's other son Ephraim? In Revelation 14, we see 144,000 appear again. They are with the Lamb on Mount Zion. This does not appear to be on earth, since in v.3 they are singing a new song before the throne. Further, it says they were redeemed FROM the earth. Those in Rev 7 seem to be on the earth. Are the 144,000 in Rev. 7 the same 144,000 in Rev. 14? Now I know the widely-held view that these are real people, and that 144,000 is a specific number. Is there any room for the view that the numbers are symbolic? Well, enough questions for now. Release the hounds.