Featured The 4th Commandment Sabbath WAS change but not in the Bible

Yes the sabbath was made for all mankind but the Sabbath law application now and in the new heavens and earth is not the Saturday application but the eternal EIGHTH day application or first day of the week on which the Lord rose again. This is the emphasis in all the new covenant Messianic feast types. This is the new Sabbath "made" in Psalm 118:24 (can't refer to Saturday because this is a new one "made" in direct reference to resurrection of Christ). This is the first Sabbath in a new series (Mk. 16:9). This is the better Sabbath based upon the greater work of our redeemer (Heb. 4:9-10). This is the "first day of the week" (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2). This is the "Lord's Day" Sunday from the first to the fourth centuires. This is the Creational Sabbath free from all legalism under levitical laws but is a day set aside to give the world witness that we Christians have a wonderful hope based solely in the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ that points to an eternal eighth day of ETERNAL REST from sin in a sinless world full of joy and gladness - halalluah!

 

Go learn what this verse means and stop jerking it out of context.
Jesus was teaching the Pharisees who made man a slave to the sabbath.
He teaches them that the Sabbath was to be enjoyed by "mankind" (ie. the Jews--his audience at the time). It was made for them; not the other way around.
You disregard the context; disregard the teaching; and make the verse teach something it doesn't. Typical cult teaching. Try expounding on the entire passage.

I don't admit to anything. These Scriptures have nothing to do with this day and age! Period. Case closed. They cannot be used.

Again, these prophetic scriptures in Isaiah cannot be used for this day and again. Don't even try.

The Sabbath is only given to Israel, God's chosen people of the OT.

That is the teaching of the Word of God. You reject God's Word.

That is what you say; not what the Bible teaches. Your listing of those references means nothing. They have all been refuted.

Meaningless dribble. We are talking of the present, not the future. Why not talk of life on another planet as well? We don't know what the future holds.

Pure speculation on your part. The sabbath was not kept in the NT by any but the Jews.

A sabbath rest is not keeping the sabbath. Go and study what that means.

I don't bend the sabbath, nor do I have any reason to keep a Jewish day, a sign of a covenant between Jehovah and Israel and their generations forever. If they broke it they were to be stoned to death. Are you ready to meet that consequence?

I don't accept any of your points.

What other people believe is not my concern; I believe the Bible.

You have been thoroughly refuted.

 

My position on the Fourth commandment is held by the earliest English Particular Baptists who wrote the 1644 with its revisions and the 1689 London Confession. The difference between the 1644 and 1689 is that the 1644 defended the basics by a few London Baptist preachers while the 1689 included the same London Preachers but a total of 100 or more other Baptist preachers in England representing the MAJORITY position of Particular Baptists in England.

Second, it was adopted by the first and largest Particular Baptist Association in America (Philadelphia) followed by nearly every other association that followed. It was the greatest Confession among Particular and Regular Baptists up to 1733. It represented the majority of Particular Baptists in America as did the 1689 did in England.

Third, the Newhampshire Confession in 1733 also takes my position on the Sabbath. The New Hampshire was and is the most widely used Baptist Confession in America and the basis for the Southern Baptist "Baptist Faith and Message."

Am I saying that Baptist confessions trump scripture? No! All I am saying is that these confessions provide the general consensus of the majority of Particular and Regular Baptists in America up to nearly 60 years ago.

I am saying that my position on the Sabbath is well founded within the circles of Baptist interpretation of the Scriptures and not a minority opinion.

 

DHK's interpetation here is indisputable as Isaiah 58:13 explicilty says it is to be regarded as a "DELIGHT" not a legalistic burden on mankind. Jesus explicitly defendd his disciples freely harvesting food to satisfy their needs on the Sabbath. He explicitly denied that the sabbath forbade all manner of work as He defended all manner of work for the Lord on the Sabbath including the strenuous work of Preists in the slaughter of sacrifcies, the taking of bread to eat by David and his men in spite of contrary Levitical forbidding that very thing, removing the ox out of the ditch.

The clear apparent violation of Levitical law by the High Priest giving not only David but his men the shew bread reserved to none but preists under penalty of death further defends DHK's interpretation.

One must understand the design behind the Levitical restriction of the shew bread to see why the High Preist in that particular cirucmstance was justified in giving that bread for non-priests to eat when the Law forbade it under the penalty of death.

The design behind that law is found in the typology of the shew bread and priests. The bread is symbolizes the "bread OF LIFE" particular in the Person of Jesus Christ. So it was ordained to give LIFE not death. Second, the preists not only represent Christ but believers and LIFE obtained through the sacrifical work and priestly work of Jesus Christ. Hence, the PRINCIPLE behind the law trumped the LETTER due to the circumstance. The PRINCIPLE behind the bread was to GIVE LIFE and in this circumstance the LIFE of David and his men were being preserved in perfect harmony with the PRINCIPLE behind the Law.

Likewise, there is a greater PRINCIPLE behind the Sabbath law than any kind of restrictive application to any 24 hour period of time. That is why the Sabbath law is applied to VARIOUS 24 hour periods of time and longer periods of time than merely24 hours (month, year) as it finally finds it ultimate application in an UNENDING period of time or the eternal 8th day Sabbath of a new heaven and earth. It applies to the spiritual rest found in regeneration, the soulish rest found in walking in the Spirit, and the bodily rest found in the resurrection into a coming sinless new heaven and earth where the entire man spirit, soul and body will rest permenantly from the presence of sin.

What a glorious truth pictured in the Sabbath that is yet to be fulfilled completely (Heb. 4:9-11).

 

I cannot find any of them that admitted it was Saturday in Eden but only that the Jews observed it on Saturday.

Nevertheless, still NONE observed it on Saturday and ALL opposed Saturday observance.

 

sabbath was not changed, bu the Church was placed on the Lord's day!

 

So take your day of rest on Wednesday. The days of the week were not named. Any day would do. The principle was to rest one day out of seven. There was no "sabbath" in Eden. It was a day of rest.

As a day of rest, only. What to do with that day of rest is up for discussion, especially among Gentiles. Again, there is no mention of the word "sabbath" in the Book of Genesis.

Of course it points to Saturday. It was given to the Jews. It is a sign of the covenant between Jehovah and the Jews forever. It was not given to Gentiles. They (like I) believe the Sabbath was and is on Saturday. This is no new teaching. It is a Jewish holy day.
Sunday is not the Sabbath, although some of them called it the Sabbath. Many of them clarified themselves calling it the "Christian Sabbath." By that they meant that if they were going to make one day out of the week a day of rest they would prefer to make it Sunday, a day in honor of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, a day to set apart not only for rest but for worship. Note also that it was the preacher's "work day," or busiest day of the week. Thus it was not legalistically kept, as the SDAs try to keep it. The renaming of Sunday as "Christian Sabbath" or sometimes referred to as simply "sabbath" is unfortunate. But it was never intended as a "keeping of the sabbath" in the way that the Bible describes or in the way that the Jews kept the sabbath. To infer that is wrong.
It simply meant that on that one day that they ceased from their secular work, they took the time to worship the Lord in a corporate manner. This they were encouraged to do faithfully every Sunday. That is all that was meant by keeping the Sabbath. That is not the biblical definition of keeping the sabbath--far from it.
Most of us do the same thing today--encourage our people to be at church every Sunday--to be faithful. We not only encourage them to be at church on Sunday but during the mid-week service as well. One day is not more important than another. The early church met every day of the week.

I don't have an out. I have an "in." It is called being eternally secure in Christ.

 

It is not incorrect at all Bob. I quoted from Genesis, not from Exodus. There is no sabbath in the book of Genesis. Not till one gets to Exodus and that nation of Israel do we come to the "Sabbath Day," a day given exclusively to the Sabbath.
A day of rest, a principle taught in Genesis 2, can be any day of the week, as long as man rests one day of the week. That is all that the Lord was teaching. There is no sabbath in Genesis.

The Lord didn't give names to any of the days. He taught that man should rest one day out of seven. As the Lord worked six days and then rested one day, so man should rest one day out of seven, but no specific day is given.

Israel is the only people to whom the sabbath was given--the only people.

It is a Jewish holy day and was never given to the Gentiles to observe.

 

Again, this is your answer to my argument from Genesis where "sabbath" is not found.
It is found in Exodus, where it is given as a command to the Jews.
In Genesis there is no command given; only a principle set forth.
Exodus 20 goes back to Genesis giving the basis for the command. But Genesis standing alone gives no such command. It is something we call "progressive revelation." You can't read back into Scripture that which is not there. Adam did not have the revelation that Moses did.

There is no Sinai in Genesis. How would Adam know about such future events. You can't read into Scripture those things that are not there. Did Adam know about Pentecost as well?

My argument is not with the text at all. There is no sabbath in Genesis 2.
There is only a sabbath in Exodus, and that sabbath is given to the Jews.
The sabbath is never given to the Gentiles--never.

My problem is not with the text; yours is.
There is no sabbath in Genesis.
The sabbath is given to the nation of Israel as a sign of a covenant between Jehovah and Israel and their generations forever. It was never given to the Gentiles. It has nothing to do with the six days of creation, and the day "God rested." God rested one day out of seven in that creation week, setting for a principle for man to follow. The day is irrelevant except to the Jews. It is still irrelevant to the Gentiles.

That is what the Lord told Israel; he never gave the same command to the Gentiles.

Again, Exodus 20 was given to the nation of Israel, not the Gentiles.

Your logic is interesting. God rested on the seventh day. Man was created on the sixth day. It was a long sixth day in which much was accomplished. There is no indication that man rested on the second day of his life. He was put there to "dress" and keep the garden in which God had put him there. No doubt that day was a day of work for Adam, as soon as he was created. He was created and then didn't go back to sleep the day after he was created, the day God rested. That doesn't make sense.
The "sabbath" day argument here works against you. It was no doubt a day of work for Adam on this seventh day. The day of "rest" simply means that God ceased from his creating. It doesn't mean that Adam didn't work.

 

All your surmising is based on one FALSE presupposition, hence EVERYTHING ELSE about it, becomes FALSE. That one FALSE <principle> of yours assumed, is this, <<first day of the week on which the Lord rose again>>.

How you are of the opinion you can convince anyone with the least of Christian knowledge of the Scriptures, only you are able to boast.

Tragedy is it, <<the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ that points to an eternal eighth day of ETERNAL REST from sin in a sinless world full of joy and gladness...>>. Such dissatisfaction with God-in-Christ's "finished works on the Seventh Day"! Your dogma is far worse than the SDA's thousand years' judgement in heaven!

The redemptive work of Jesus Christ IS, <finished>, "once for all and ever". Alleluia, "THIS IS The Thousand Years The First Resurrection" that points to Christ's <finished> work of the only eternal REST from sin in a sinful world full of pain and sadness.

 

When we read "the details" of both Gen 2:3 and Ex 20:11 we find that God Himself insists that the Gen 2:3 event alone makes the Sabbath holy and blessed. God says that in the past "He RESTED the Seventh Day". Exodus 20 says “because God in it RESTED, THEREFORE God made the Sabbath holy”.

We talked about this before, Bob Ryan; jy smeer jouself net daaraan af. The <<event … that Gen 2:3>> refers to is further described and recorded accurately in chapter 3 from verse 8 to the end, verse 24. That first of all Sabbaths of the LORD GOD was as much Day-of-God’s-Rest as Day-of-God’s-JUDGMENT!

And so were all subsequent Seventh Day Sabbaths-OF-THE-LORD-GOD. And so was the Seventh Day Sabbath-OF-THE-LORD-GOD “IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME” IN CHRIST IN RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD. And so again SHALL be the Seventh Day Sabbath-OF-THE-LORD-GOD in the last and Judgment-Day at the Coming-Again of Jesus Christ and “the RESURRECTION OF ALL THE DEAD”—a day of JUDGMENT AS OF THE REST OF GOD!

You indeed <keep insisting that we should not "notice" that God insists that the Gen 2:3 event is what establishes the Sabbath> … IN CHRIST!

 

Isaiah is weightless rhetoric unless Christ is the Substance of its very human, words.

Dear Bob, you should have ended your post with "in Christ" in the same sentence of Isaiah, <<...I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off IN CHRIST!>>.

The same applies to the rest of whatever you quoted, <<...“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths IN CHRIST,

 

gentiles NEVER were placed under the jewish Sabbath, so you have ONLY false revelations from Ellen White to stand upon!