The ACLU is not your friend!!!

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  1. DQuixote

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    Have you contacted Congress and your local legislators about the amoral programs the ACLU supports?

    Homosexual unions.
    National Man-Boy Association.
    Abortion on demand.
    Homosexual education beginning in pre-school (along with the NEA).

    Every Christian needs to pray, thunder it in your church meetings, and contact the jerks in D.C. and your state. We need a Christian uproar from town halls to the Supreme Court, a million-Christian march on state capitols and D.C.

    The ACLU is TAX-PAYER FUNDED!! Don't let your taxes go for immorality of the grossest kind!!

    Get cracking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :jesus: :wavey: :godisgood:
     
  2. Magnetic Poles

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    You are spamming the board by crossposting this in several fora. And like I mentioned in the other one, you are wrong. Lying to further your cause is wrong. You can oppose the ACLU for whatever reasons, but they receive NO taxpayer funding.
     
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    The ACLU receives funding from a large number of sources. The distribution and amount of funding for state affiliates varies from state to state. For example, the ACLU of New Jersey reported $1.2 million in income to both the ACLU-NJ and its affiliated tax-exempt foundation in the 2005 fiscal year. Of that income, 46% came from contributions, 19% came from membership dues, 18% came from court awarded attorney fees, 12% came from grants, 4% came from investment income and the remainder from other sources. Its expenses in the same period were $800,000, of which 12% went to administration and management ACLU-NJ, Annual Report, ACLU-NJ, 2005. Smaller affiliates with fewer resources, such as that in Nebraska, receive subsidies from the national ACLU.[17]
    The ACLU periodically receives court awarded legal fees. For example, the New Jersey chapter reported receiving 18% for awarded legal fees in the fiscal year 2005. In 2004, these awards made up 3% of their ACLU Foundation funding and 0% of the ACLU.[20] The Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005, introduced by Representative John N. Hostettler, seeks to alter prior civil rights legislation to prevent monetary judgements in the particular case of violations of church-state separation.[21] Also, groups such as the American Legion have taken stances opposing the ACLU's right to collect fees under such legislation.[22]
    Recovery of legal fees by non-profit legal advocacy organizations is common practice. The pro-life Thomas More Law Center, for example, generally seeks, and is successful in, recovery of legal fees in the same manner as the ACLU.[23][24]
    Due to the nature of its legal work, the ACLU is often involved in litigation against governmental bodies, which are generally protected from adverse monetary judgements: a town, state or Federal agency may be required to change its laws or behave differently, but not to pay monetary damages except by an explicit statutory waiver.[25][26]
    In some cases, the law permits plaintiffs who successfully sue government agencies to collect money damages or other monetary relief. In particular, a 1976 federal law (amended in 1988), the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act leaves the government liable in some civil rights cases. Fee awards under this civil rights statute are considered "equitable relief" rather than damages, and government entities are not immune from equitable relief.[27] Under laws such as this, the ACLU and its state chapters sometimes share in monetary judgements against government agencies.[28]
    The ACLU has prevailed in numerous church-state cases. The Georgia chapter was awarded $150,000 in fees after suing a county for the removal of a Ten Commandments display from its courthouse;[29] a second Ten Commandments case in the State, in a different county, led to a $74,462 judgment.[30] Meanwhile, the State of Tennessee was required to pay $50,000, the State of Alabama $175,000, and the State of Kentucky $121,500, in similar Ten Commandments cases.[31][32]

    From Wikpedia
     
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    Also, I don't have a link, but I seem to remember back in my previous life that I read Larry Flint and Hugh Heffener have donated millions to the ACLU.

    But if you want to hate the ACLU and have a little factual backup, this may be a good link.

    http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6145
     
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    Heh, but, in the words of Don, the ACLU does support:

    And then there is all that iffy ACLU history, why didn't you post their official link?:

    http://aclu.org/

    The answer lies within.....

    CAIR donates to them, who else?:

    http://www.stoptheaclu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=112&Itemid=46

    I couldn't find the SBC on there, just the name "George Soros".
     
  6. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Since the ACLU receives awards for attornys fees against government agencies the receive taxpayer funds. Most are probably from church state issues.
     
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    Sounds like "taxpayer" money to me.
     
  8. dan e.

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    wikipedia is hardly trustworthy source for news and facts. (example: sinbad died this weekend.)
     
  9. Bro. Curtis

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    Do you dispute any of the FACTS I put up, or are you just trying to throw water on this ?
     
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    just trying to throw water.


    i think christians spend to much time looking silly trying to rally troops rather than being authentically like Jesus. perhaps if we loved more people, they would be asking where we stand on issues and why. what happens, is that christians rally together like suit and tie politicians damning the world for something that may or may not be tax-payer funded, and we wonder why they don't see Jesus.


    Don't get too huffed up....I'm mainly just spouting off against annoyances. Although I seriously have heard many criticisms about wikipedia.
     
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    If crazy right wing christian fundamentalists are against the ACLU...I'm going to find a local a chapter and sign up!
     
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    What an intelligent thing to say. You must be a thinker.
     
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    ..........
     
    #13 dan e., Mar 16, 2007
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    So, you got nothin' better to do than troll the BB and throw water on threads ? You never disputed any facts, just said something everyone knows about Wikpedia, and Wikpedia isn't the only source I quoted, either.

    Are you into honest debate, or are you a trouble maker ? It's got a big bearing on whether I'll waste time talking with you, or not.
     
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    seriously....calm down.

    I half jokingly made a comment about Christians rallying against something, which I'm not even saying the ACLU is a good organization. My comment was the appearance of how we Christians can be sometimes...which is no different than wacko politicians making a case. More often than not the "religious right" comes off more damning than anything else. This isn't to say I disagree with anyone on the "religious right". I'm pretty much on the same side on issues. I apologize you didn't take too well to the joking tone I intended. Also, that comment about wikipedia was a freebie. It just popped in my mind about some criticisms I'd heard from some radio talkshow critics. Sorry bro'.
     
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    OK then.

    We have a problem with flaming on this board, people say insulting things that have nothing to do with the thread, and lately, we kind of work to stop it. I'm willing to bet you will see me fall once or twice, I hope I accept the redirects as graciously as you have.
     
  17. dan e.

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    so.....my comments aren't necessarily about the quality of the ACLU....rather how should we approach it. I think it sounds silly to "rally" everyone together.

    Kind of like elsewhere on the BB where someone had put up "stop drinking pepsi!". It sounds a little crazy. I constantly watch people from the "left" make so many demonstrations on tv, etc. and they end up looking like wackos. I've seen a lot of that and told myself that if I go through long periods of time with people I disagree with in control politically, I don't want to act like that. Just thoughts. Sorry again I was a little too playful and careless with how I worded my thoughts. Didn't mean to get you defensive.
     
  18. Bro. Curtis

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    The OP is errant here, and that was pretty quickly addressed. My opinion is there are enough reasons to be suspicious of the ACLU, we don't have to make stuff up.

    I stay away from most discussions where someone will tell us how Christians should lean, they never bear any good fruit.

    No more apologies, please.:wavey:
     
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    Enough of a thinker to know that most of the alarmist nonsense that passes as evangelical Christianity is neither, evangelical or Christian.

    You want to hate, go right ahead, but don't act all offended about it, I'm not buying it.
     
  20. Bro. Curtis

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    All I ask is that you try and add to the convesation, not take away from it, and insult a whole group of people with an outrageous statement.
     

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