The Alamo

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  1. KenH

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    Ken, I have two marriage counseling appointments Tuesday PM. Record it for me please! (My wife can't--too technical).
     
  3. KenH

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    Hey, where are your priorities? Cancel the appointments. Just tell them to sleep on separate bedrooms until you can reschedule them. :D
     
  4. KenH

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    Actually, there are several showings of it this month. Also, tomorrow there is a 30 minute program using the set of the new movie coming out in April, 2004:

    Tuesday, December 16 12:30 - 1pm The Alamo: Making History & Hollywood

    Tuesday, December 16 6:30 - 7pm The Alamo: Making History & Hollywood

    Tuesday, December 16 9 - 11pm Remember the Alamo

    Wednesday, December 17 1 - 3am Remember the Alamo

    Saturday, December 20 9 - 11pm Remember the Alamo

    Sunday, December 21 1 - 3am Remember the Alamo

    Saturday, December 27 8 - 10am Remember the Alamo


    These are Eastern Time Zone times.
     
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    Are they going to have a fair balanced program or the typical good guys (Texans) vs bad guys (Mexicans) stereotypes we see in all those old westerns?
     
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    I am hopeful it will be a very fair historical look at the facts as best they can be known. Actually, my concern is the opposite of yours as the link I provided says, "The legend survived. But the truth was massacred."
     
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    We did a remake of The Alamo (1960 John Wayne) when I lived in Texas in the mid 1980's. I got to be a Mexican canoneer! They hired a lot of us reenactors to come in for a few days to do massed scenes.

    I've never even seen that. Now, I'm assuming from the specials and publicity, that ANOTHER remake is happening.
     
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    Well... we can hope since it's the History Channel. If it were PBS, they'd show the Texans as pure evil and Santa Anna as a saint; you know how PBS likes to counter all stereotypes with an equal and opposite reaction.
     
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    Has anyone seen teh IMAX of it?? I saw it in San Antonio a few years ago. I enjoyed it. But I don't know that much about the Alamo so I don't know if it was good or bad ... historically speaking.
     
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    If you want the true story of the Alamo (the word means "cottonwood" in Spanish) take a look at this link. http://www.tuppenceworth.ie/Politics/Alamo.html

    The fight at the Alamo was not about heroism, or even self-determination. It was about Mexico becoming more and more anti-slavery, and the Texans wanting to preserve their profitable cotton growing industry!
     
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    Often wondered about why Texicans would want to have slaves. It was more expensive to buy and maintain a slave than to just import illegal migrant workers across the Rio Grande.

    At least it is today . . .

    [p.s. - how did I know someone would interject slavery as the MAIN issue in this "evil" story of the Alamo as has been elsewhere on the History Forum?? :rolleyes: ]
     
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    I knew that slavery was on of the issues but I didn't want to mention it because this thread would quickly degrade into another slavery debate. :rolleyes:
     
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    That article is one man's opinion. You may like the article but that doesn't make it true.

    It is clear that the man is writing from a biased viewpoint. He wrote: "This resulted in the famous siege and battle at the Alamo, a Catholic mission taken over by the Texans.

    There is some irony in the usurping of a church property by the Texans"

    The Alamo had already been fortified by General Cos. And it had been a military station since the early 1800's when a Spanish calvary unit was stationed there. The Alamo had ceased to be a functioning mission in 1793.

    Since the author of the article doesn't even know the accurate history of the Alamo, it casts severe doubts over the rest of his diatribe. :cool:
     
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    I have read other articles by the author and he seems quite aware of the history of Misión San Antonio de Valero (the real name for the Alamo). It was the Spanish Army who nick-named the Mission after their home town of Alamo de Parras, Coahuila. The Alamo served as a home to missionaries and Indians as well s General Martín Perfecto de Cós and his troops. The General surrendered the Alamo in 1835 and the Mexican troops were replaced by Ben Milam and a group of Texan and Tejano volunteers. General Antonio López de Santa Anna and his army nearly re-conquered the Mission, but Colonel William B. Travis sent couriers to towns in Texas and gathered an additional 32 volunteers from Gonzales, bringing the total number of the occupation forces to nearly two hundred.

    To suggest the author is ignorant of history because he referred to the Mission as a "church" seems like nit-picking to me. But then, there is no such thing as "unbiased history." All history is written from a singular viewpoint.
     
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    You are absolutely correct. And obviously our biases concerning the Alamo are diametrically opposed to each other. [​IMG]
     
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    I suppose the reason would be historical accuracy. It would be nice to hide our head in the sand and deny that our country has not always been perfect and righteous, but that would preclude our ever growing and becoming a better nation, wouldn't it?

    Slavery was the basis for cotton production in Texas in the early 19th century. Mexico was in the process of outlawing slavery so Texas tried to succeed from Mexico. The same thing happened on a much larger scale, but for different reasons, 16 years later, when the southern states succeeded from the United States over the issue of States Rights, something Mexican law did not provide for.

    In my opinion slavery would have been short lived regardless of whether or not we fought the Civil War. It was proving to be too cumbersome to support. The issue of the Civil War was States Rights as guaranteed by the Constitution and as run rough shod over by President Lincoln and the Congress as they moved toward a strong central federal government.
     
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    Absolutely correct! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    I don't have a dog in this fight. My family had not yet arrived on the hallowed shores of America. In fact, they wouldn't arrive for over 100 years. [​IMG]
     
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    I just got around to watching the show after taping it on Tuesday night. I thought it was very well done and a balanced presentation. I especially found the events in the 12 years leading up to the Texas Revolution to be interesting.

    I have watched a lot of programs on the History Channel, mainly about World War II, and I have yet to watch one that I thought was biased or that tried to shade a story in one direction or another.
     

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