The Bible clearly and explicitly spells out in no uncertain terms that God demanded of men what He knew they were not able to perform and then justly condemned them. This not a matter of speculative philosphy what God "could" or "would" "might" or "may" do but what he actually DID and IS DOING right now. Eternal salation or damnation does not change this one iota but are evidential proofs that God has done this already as both are merely consequential to this indisputable fact. I realize that Skandelon will just keep repeating his denial as he has no other option, as admission to this Biblical principle simply destroys his whole system of intepretation. Therefore, I will proceed to just prove this principle from God's Word: 1. God obligated Israel to keep His commandments Le 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you. Le 20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. 2. God knew full well they were unable to keep this obligation even when He first obligated them to do so Deut. 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! Rom. 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Jn. 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? Rom. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 3. This failure is condemned as sin under penalty of death 1 Jn. 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; . Jn. 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Note: No one is born into this world as a believer and so all men are condemned already. To be condemned by the law is to be defined as SINNERS worthy of death. Potential future salvation does not change or deny this principle. No Post-Salvation can overturn or deny that FALLEN MAN was obligated by God to do what He knew they were without ability to do and yet justly condemned. Fallen men still have the same inability to be subject to the law of God, neither indeed can they be and they are still condemned justly. Rom. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. The only interpretation of Romans 5:12-15 that can JUSTIFY God obligating FALLEN HUMANITY to do what He knows they are unable to do and condemn them as sinners deserving death is our interpretation. Skandelon's system cannot reconcile this principle with his system and so he is forced to deny it exists.