For those of you who may have missed this in my "debate" with Ed... Scriptural Evidience that the 70th week, Great Tribulation, and the Day of the Lord are NOT equivalent: Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Point 1: The 70th week lasts for 7 years. And the abomination of desolation occurs at the midpoint (3 ½ years in). Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation , such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Point 2: According to Christ’s own words, the Great Tribulation will not begin until AFTER the AoD at the midpoint of the 70th week. This shows that the 70th week and the GT are NOT the same. Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal , and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come ; and who shall be able to stand? Point 3: Joel, Jesus, and John all agree: the Day of the Lord will be preceded by a specific sign in the sun, moon, and stars, signifying its arrival. According to Jesus, it’s AFTER the Great Tribulation; and according to John, it is at the breaking of the 6th seal. Conclusion: a) The 70th week will last for 7 years, b) The Great Tribulation will begin at the midpoint and will last an undetermined amount of time, c) The Day of the Lord will not begin until after the GT and after the triple sign is given in the heavens Therefore, the 70th week DOES NOT = the Great Tribulation DOES NOT = the Day of the Lord. The result is that seals are shown not to be part of the wrath of God, and the church, while promised rapture before wrath, is subject to all events leading up to the 6th seal. Further, if correct, it would be natural to expect Rev, in it's chronolgy, to allude to the rapture. And, in fact, it does in the very next chapter: Rev 7:9-17 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, [a perfect description of the church] stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation [deliverance, due to the rapture] to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation , and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. questions or comments?