The Best Bible Versions (and Worst)

Amen, Brother Lacy Evans -- Preach it!
It is the Baptist doctrine of Soul COmpetency.
It is the Baptist doctrine of The Priesthood
of the Believer. IT is the Baptist Doctrine
of the Sovereignty of God and
the duty of (hu)man.

And it is sure a lot better that I (responsible
before God) make the "pick". The OVO option
(that seems to concentrate ont he
meanist of the KJVs, the U.S.A.
pirated KJV1769) makes no sense
and no OVO seems to figure out
how that decision was made,
when that "pick" was
made, or why that "pick" was made.

Seems strange to me how "Independant
Fundamental Baptist"s can be
dependant upon someone else to "pick"
their Bible for them. What ever happened
to the "Independant" in IFB?

 

Absolutely and that is why the NKJV is the latest step in the process which began in 1613 to refine and purge the 1611 King James Bible First Edition from error such as the Apocrypha.

HankD

 

quote:
Originally posted by robycop3:
Then, with all due respect, Sir, can you *PROVE* me wrong? Belief must be based upon FACT. [/QB]

Lacy Evans:I cannot prove "purple" to a blind man.

No, but you can cook up a tall tale, or repeat someone else's fishing story & hope he believes it.

God preserves things by resurrecting them. That I can prove(and have proven.)Luke 21:17,18, with Acts 7:59, 60 also Isaiah49:6

No denial by me, but the KJV is original and not resurrected.

God promises to preserve his "words". That I can prove. (Perhaps not to you.) Psalms 12: 6,7

According to the AV translators, V.7 refers to PEOPLE. But let's say, for the sake of discussion, that it DOES refer to God's words. That means the end of the KJVO myth for good as God:
1. Didn't give His words to David in ENGLISH. Therefore we don't have His exact words as He spoke them to David.
2. Made every English BV come out differently from any other. The Geneva Bible is just as valid as is the KJV, but they're different, and a fave KJVO catchphrase is, "things that are different are not the same". Therefore, if God preserved His word in English whatsoever, then He's done it in various versions. Personally, I believe He's done exactly THAT, and that the KJVO myth is just that-A MYTH, false as a Clinton dollar.

God says you will know them by their fruit. that I can prove. Matt 11:4-5

Not one peep about any Bible version. Jesus is talking about Himself, as the context plainly shows. Here's the proof, from the KJV:

Matthew 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.
2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

I can prove that the term "scripture" never once refers exclusively to autographs. 2Tim 3

There are many other verses supporting this, which again, has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the KJVO myth. We ALL believe that the various English translations of Scripture ARE Scripture. The oft-quoted of Luke 4:16-21 vs Isaiah 42:7 & isaiah 61:1-3 confirm this. If we DIDN'T believe valid translations were Scripture, then we wouldn't accept ANY English BV.

I can prove that God restored the closed 66 Book perfect canon in the late 17th century and all of us without exception are devout 66-book onlyists.

Actually, it took place earlier, but again it has nothing whatsoever to do with the KJVO myth.

I can prove that restoration/preservation is often a process. Eze 37. John 20:17


Lacy

Lacy, while I appreciate your efforts, and the things you've mentioned here have nothing to do with the KJVO myth. Nowhere in Scripture does God thus limit Himself as the KJVO myth suggests.

Once again, with all due respect, please try to prove me wrong. I have EVIDENCE and REALITY, while the KJVO has nothing but guesswork and tall tales.

 

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Lacy Evans:I am KJVO because of deep convictions.

robycop:Based upon guesswork & fishing stories, not any real, tangible EVIDENCE.

Askjo:No,based upon Scripture(John 16:13).All of your hot air has been proven false before;

Not really, and YOU haven't even come CLOSE. And John 16:13 has absolutely nothing to do with the KJVO myth.

From the KJV: John 13:16 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Anyone see anything about the versions issue in this verse? Or has Askjo pulled yet another "Casey At The Bat"? Your Scripture citation reminds me of asking someone the time & he says "Bulova".

why keep repeating yourself when no one pays attention to you?? or cares???

Evidently YOU do, or you wouldn't go ballistic when you reply.

Now, wanna try to prove me wrong or the KJVO myth right s'more? You aint doin' too hot in either venue so far.

 

No,based upon Scripture(John 16:13).All of your hot air has been proven false before;why keep repeating yourself when no one pays attention to you?? or cares??? </font>[/QUOTE]It would be interesting to trace A-A's posts and see if the majority has the "scawling face"....

 

Originally posted by Anti-Alexandrian:

quote:
Lacy Evans:I am KJVO because of deep convictions.

Based upon guesswork & fishing stories, not any real, tangible EVIDENCE.

No,based upon Scripture(John 16:13).All of your hot air has been proven false before;why keep repeating yourself when no one pays attention to you?? or cares???
Orvie:It would be interesting to trace A-A's posts and see if the majority has the "scawling face"....

Let alone make any SENSE...

 

Psalms 12: 6,7 Normal English syntax.

Please show me one verse of scripture that justifies the extra-biblical Kirkawhatchamadoodle leap doctrine that God only inspired the originals.

The KJV 1611 had exactly 66 canonical books. SIXTY-SIX!!! books accepted as CANON! by the church in general and the translators and me and Dr. Bob.
The 66 books that were not settled upon perfectly until the late 17th century. In 1647, the Westminster Confession of Faith listed the exact 66 Books (with no additions in Daniel or Jeremiah) now recognized by conservative, fundamental Christians.

I have proven it. read the verses. (You could throw in Psalms 12: 6,7, Normal English syntax, too.) Now it's your turn. show me one place where God either says he will not preserve his word or that he will use a process of entropy to "preserve" it. That he will set the clock in the autographs then let them run down over time and never reset the clock.

Show me one New Testament writer who doubts the "veracity" of the scripture he holds in his hand and questions and corrects the Greek translation with the "original Hebrew" or some other such non-sense.


Lacy

 

Are you saying Bro Lacy that God may once again "reset the clock" and give us a translation in 21st (or 22nd) century English instead of a langauage which few of us speak fluently?

 

I doubt he would need to give us another English version. Our modern form of English is IMHO a poor example of the language. It has degenerated.

OTOH, it wouldn't suprise me if the LORD raised up a perfect translation in another language (like Chinese) where folks have not rejected (or openly doubted) the truth, where revival is taking place, where men are looking for the book and the God who wrote it.

In scripture, God took away perfect revelation from disobedient children. He says he'll take the what is given and give it to someone else who really wants it

This is from an article I wrote:

Hope that at least helps you understand my position brother. I could be wrong, but no one has convinced me yet.

Lacy

 

I have become convinced that your position is not held out of malice or contention.

Modern English, corrupted or not, is a language quite different from that used 400 years ago. One of the major problems with a "perfect English Bible" comes from that fact.

I also am not conviced that there is only one "perfect" translation at a time. I beelive that God wants ALL people to hear His word in a language they can understand.

I do not believe that the KJV has been improved on and therefore that is what I use. I do not accept however that it is impossible to have a new "perfect" English translation.

 

I still see some slight duplicity
which i've documented here:

Ed's Catalogue of KJVO Double Standards

I'm sorry, i just can't abide calling
a Version published by ripping off
a KJV1769 a "KJV1611AV".
The KJV1769 well may be "KJV" but it is
NOT the 1611 "edition" and it was NOT
authorized. In fact, most people who use
"AV = Authorized Version" really seem
to want you to think it was Authorized
by God.

 

Amen, Brother C4K - Preach it!

Which of the three main flavors of the
KJV = King James Version do you believe
"has not been improved on"? I.E. which
KJV do you use?

Which King James Version do you use?
Here is a sample test:

1. Ruth III:15d (KJV1611):

... and he went into the citie.

2. Ruth 3:15 (KJV1769):

... and she went into the city.

3. Ruth 3:15 (KJV1873):

... and he went into the city.

I note that most KJV electronic sources
are from the KJV1769.

 

Bro Lacy is very clear that he holds to the 1769 Oxford KJV as the perfected English translation.

 

Yes, we know.

What does Bro. C4K use for his main KJV?

 

Lacy Evans:I doubt he would need to give us another English version.

Why? What's to stop Him? He's done it for hundreds of years.

Our modern form of English is IMHO a poor example of the language. It has degenerated.

Feel free to speak or write in Jacobean English as you will.

OTOH, it wouldn't suprise me if the LORD raised up a perfect translation in another language (like Chinese) where folks have not rejected (or openly doubted) the truth, where revival is taking place, where men are looking for the book and the God who wrote it.

Everey valid translation in any language comes out as God wills, whether it suits man's opinions or not.

In scripture, God took away perfect revelation from disobedient children. He says he'll take the what is given and give it to someone else who really wants it

Nothing to do with versions.

Once again, no evidence to support the KJVO myth.

 

About your article, Lacy:

First, you've used something out of Lamentations, which shows you're at least combing the Scriptures trying to fine anything to support KJVO, something many KJVOs don't do. (IMO, Lam is the least-used, least-read book of the Bible.)

OTOH, your article shows a case in which God had preserved his word, but, due to man's neglect, some of it had become hidden and unknown to some generations, but discovered later. This could be applied to the more-recently-discovered Scriptural mss which many KJVOs dismiss because "they aint Byz nor Texas Receptus". Who are WE to tell God how to preserve or present His word?

 

I'm just deep like that Roby Seriously it was just one verse of several that showed the same principle. I taught a men's Sunday school class and at one point we went through Lamentations. Good Stuff!

We don't tell him. He tells us. Your suggestion is possible and every one of us should look at it. How do we know that the 66 book canon is closed? How do we know that the Christian witness in general is true. Again, I go back to the trail of fruit, revival, revelation, illumination and holiness. This trail is clear (to me).

Lacy

 

Yes, we know.

What does Bro. C4K use for his main KJV?

</font>[/QUOTE]Coincidently the 1769 Oxford Wide Margin .
I also use a Thomas Nelson Open Bible - not sure which edition of the KJV it comes from.
My travel Bible is a Trinitarian Bible Society Cambridge 1762.
I do my devotional reading out of the NKJV though.

 

Lacy
"Kirkawhatchamadoodle leap doctrine"
''
You ought to have payed a little more attention in high school.
Now you have to read the following to figure out what Bob is typing about.
http://sorenkierkegaard.org/primer_5.htm
http://www.webcom.com/kierke/

"Josiah provided for the repair of the temple of God.
During the repairs, the book of the law was found. (It was found in the broken down neglected temple of God, not in a pristine Babylonian temple like the Vatican)."
''
Let me guess, you've never been inside the Vatican. And you have no clue what a Babylonian temple looks like.

"How do we know that the 66 book canon is closed?"
''
For all that we know the Ethiopian Christians may have been the ones that got it right and we are missing 10+ books.

 

Let me guess you were too busy studying Kirkawhatshisname in high school to study Alexander Hislop.

well here:

http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm

http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/

http://www.geocities.com/jayce8565/TwoBabylons.html

Love Lacy