The Bible Code

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  1. 3AngelsMom

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    I found a movie in the cheapo bin at WallyWorld the other day called 'The Omega Code' and got it, well firstly because it was cheap, and DVD's aren't usually cheap and secondly because it looked interesting.

    How much weight has been given to the discovery of the Bible Code?

    Does anyone here study it, or know someone who does?

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
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    I have no use for it. I am content reading and studying the clear message of the Gospel.


    God Bless.
     
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    It is a mathematical theory that has been through 3 levels of peer review without demonstrating that it is in error. The math theory is really very "simple" it guarantees randomization of the data that it is applied to. For that reason - the "organization" found in some of the grids that it produces "is not expected". For example, it was applied to the Hebrew version of "War and Peace" and found to TRULY randomize the document. Some names are found STILL in some of the grids of that test case BUT no related demographic or biographic information is ALSO produced on those pages for that SAME name.

    That's the "easy part".

    The problem is that some people want to use it to predict the future and the mathmatician that came up with it - refuses to accept that as a valid use of it.

    In Christ,

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    I hope no one takes what I said the wrong way. I just don't see the point in searching God's Word for encoded hidden mysteries (whether real or fabricated), when a message so much more important was provided to us by God, in a clear language that we can understand.


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    Prov.25
    [2] It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
     
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    Computer algorythms are wonderful tools, and they don't know or understand the difference in the input data. So you can run one of those algorythms an any text and find hidden words and phrases.

    There are many secret messages in the Constitution of the United States for example.
     
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    So then what kind of stuff are they finding in the Bible when they apply this decoding to it?

    On the movie it said stuff like Hitler, and jews, with dates and stuff and another one about Pricess Diana dying and the time of year.

    Is that stuff true, or are there other things that have been found that are true?

    Someone told me once, that the phrase Yeshua a Meshiah or something like that (don't know how to spell that last word) was found like 5000 times in the torah.

    Anyone know about that?

    God Bless,
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    I've studies Bible code for several years, and don't for one minute believe it. God wrote His word to us for us to read it, not so He could hide it from us. It's nothing different then anyother fortune telling method, might as well read nosterdamus(sp?)
    A few facts, one is they also found the saem things in other books, did God encode other books too?
    Two, they had to actually change some of what the bible says to get some of their fortune telling out of it.
    And, it's not the BIBLE, but the Torah they use.
     
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    Amen, Sibling Christ -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
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    Uh, did you even read through it? Do you know Brendan McKay is not just "some guy" with a personal website?

    Why don't you find me something wrong with his site, if you think it's not valid. [​IMG]
     
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    #1. So far - none of the detractors of the Bible Code have themselves passed the same triple levels of "peer review" that the Bible Code itself has passed.

    #2. So far - none of the detractors has been able to show that the "randomizing proof" accepted in those peer reviews - is invalid. In terms of showing a mathematical proof.

    #3. The Torah - is in fact the first 5 books of the Bible in Hebrew.

    #4. The randomizing process applied to books such as "War and Peace" does NOT yield the SAME degree of biographic convergence as has been shown for the Bible. This has been pointed out repeatedly.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    This site contains neither science
    nor proof. I would recognize either
    or both, if i saw them.

    3Angels Mom: "I found a movie in the cheapo bin at WallyWorld the other day called 'The Omega Code' and got it, well firstly because it was cheap, and DVD's aren't usually cheap and secondly because it looked interesting."

    THE OMEGA CODE was a hoot [​IMG]
    The Antichrist did what the bible code
    said which was exactly what reading the
    Bible straightforward said he would do [​IMG]
    Gotta love such sarcasm by the movie
    producers [​IMG]
     
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    #1. So far - none of the detractors of the Bible Code have themselves passed the same triple levels of "peer review" that the Bible Code itself has passed.

    #2. So far - none of the detractors has been able to show that the "randomizing proof" accepted in those peer reviews - is invalid. In terms of showing a mathematical proof.

    #3. The Torah - is in fact the first 5 books of the Bible in Hebrew.

    #4. The randomizing process applied to books such as "War and Peace" does NOT yield the SAME degree of biographic convergence as has been shown for the Bible. This has been pointed out repeatedly.

    In Christ,

    Bob
    </font>[/QUOTE]If you like to believe satan'e lie, then by all means do so. I'll take God true words, written plainly for all His people to seee and read. My God is not a computer,as the prponets of the Bible codes have said He would have to be to write the code.
    They do not use the Bible, but O.T. only, they have never used the N.T., therefore it is not the Bible code.
     
  18. dianetavegia

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    Experts Opinions on the Bible Codes (Click Here)

    Mathematicians' Statement on the Bible Codes

    We are making this statement concerning what have been called "Bible codes" or "Torah codes". We recognize that many sincere people take this phenomenon seriously, which compels us to speak out on the basis of what our mathematical training tells us about the evidence claimed for this alleged phenomenon.

    There is a common belief in the general community to the effect that many mathematicians, statisticians, and other scientists consider the claims to be credible. This belief is incorrect. On the contrary, the almost unanimous opinion of those in the scientific world who have studied the question is that the theory is without foundation. The signatories to this letter have themselves examined the evidence and found it entirely unconvincing.

    We refer in particular to the paper Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis, published in Statistical Science in 1994. This experiment suffers from major problems concerning both its execution and the interpretation of its conclusions. Even without these concerns, we would not take such extraordinary claims seriously without a vastly more systematic and thorough investigation. No such investigation has been carried out, nor has the work so far established a prima facie case. In addition, word clusters such as mentioned in Witztum's and Drosnin's books and the so called messianic codes are an uncontrolled phenomenon and similar clusters will be found in any text of similar length. All claims of incredible probabilities for such clusters are bogus, since they are computed contrary to standard rules of probability and statistics.

    Among the signatories below are some who believe that the Torah was divinely written. We see no conflict between that belief and the opinion we have expressed above.

    Signatures
    Robert E. L. Aldred
    Department of Mathematics and Statistics
    University of Otago
    New Zealand.
    PhD. Melbourne University, 1987
    [email protected]
    Dror Bar-Natan
    Senior Lecturer in Mathematics
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Princeton 1991
    [email protected]
    http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~drorbn
    Jay H. Beder
    Associate Professor of Mathematical Sciences
    University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
    Milwaukee, WI, USA.
    PhD, The George Washington University 1981
    [email protected]
    http://www.uwm.edu/~beder/
    Valentina M. Borok
    Emeritus Professor of Mathematics
    Kharkov State University
    Kharkov, Ukraine.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1957
    [email protected]
    Robert Brooks
    Professor of Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Harvard University 1977
    [email protected]
    Mark Burgin
    Visiting Scholar in Mathematics
    UCLA
    Los Angeles, CA, USA.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1971
    [email protected]
    George M. Butler
    Professor of Mathematics
    Louisiana Tech University
    Ruston, LA, USA.
    PhD, Oklahoma State University, 1968
    [email protected]
    http://www.math.latech.edu
    Gary A. Chase
    Senior Research Biostatistician
    Henry Ford Health System
    Detroit, MI, USA.
    Adjunct Professor of Biomathematics and Biostatistics
    Georgetown University
    PhD, Johns Hopkins 1970
    [email protected]
    E. B. Davies
    Professor of Mathematics
    King's College, University of London
    London, England.
    Fellow of the Royal Society
    D. Phil., University of Oxford 1968
    [email protected]
    Percy Deift
    Professor of Mathematics
    The Courant Institute, NYU
    New York, NY, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1976
    [email protected]
    Persi Diaconis
    David Duncan Professor of Physical Sciences
    Cornell University
    Ithaca, NY, USA.
    Member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    PhD, Harvard 1974
    Laurence S. Freedman
    Professor of Statistics
    Bar Ilan University
    Ramat Gan, Israel.
    [email protected]
    Fritz Gesztesy
    L. M. DeFoe Professor of Mathematics
    University of Missouri
    Columbia, MO, USA.
    PhD, University of Graz 1976
    [email protected]
    http://www.math.missouri.edu/people/faculty/fgesztesypt.html
    Sheldon Goldstein
    Professor of Mathematics
    Rutgers University
    New Brunswick, NJ, USA.
    PhD, Yeshiva University 1974
    [email protected]
    Lawrence F. Gray
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of Minnesota
    Minneapolis, MN, USA.
    PhD, Cornell University 1977
    [email protected]
    Rami Grossberg
    Associate Professor of Mathematics
    Carnegie Mellon University
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1986
    [email protected]
    Lee O. Hagglund
    Professor of Mathematics
    Wofford College
    Spartanburg, S.C. USA
    Ph.D., Duke 1972
    [email protected]
    A. Michael Hasofer
    Emeritus Professor of Statistics
    University of New South Wales
    Sydney, NSW, Australia.
    PhD, University of Tasmania 1964
    [email protected]
    Tim Hesterberg
    Research Scientist
    MathSoft/Statistical Sciences
    Seattle, WA, USA.
    PhD, Stanford, 1988
    [email protected]
    Peter Hines
    Programmer
    University of Wales
    Bangor, Wales.
    PhD, University of Wales, 1997
    Svetlana Jitomirskaya
    Associate Professor of Mathematics
    University of California Irvine
    Irvine, CA, USA.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1991
    [email protected]
    Gil Kalai
    Professor of Mathematics
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1983
    [email protected]
    Fima Klebaner
    Associate Professor of Mathematics and Statistics
    University of Melbourne
    Parkville, Victoria, Australia
    PhD, Melbourne University 1983
    David Klein
    Professor of Mathematics
    California State University
    Northridge, CA, USA.
    PhD, Cornell 1981
    Richard N. Lane
    President
    Lane, Westly Inc.
    Ph.D., Caltech, 1968
    [email protected]
    http://frontpage.home.net/richlanephd/
    Joel Lebowitz
    George William Hill Professor of Mathematics and Physics
    Rutgers University
    New Brunswick, NJ, USA.
    Member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    PhD, Syracuse University 1956
    [email protected]
    Nati Linial
    Professor of Computer Science,
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1978
    Gary Lorden
    Professor of Mathematics
    California Institute of Technology
    Pasadena, CA, USA.
    PhD, Cornell 1966
    Brendan McKay
    Professor of Computer Science
    Australian National University
    Canberra, ACT, Australia.
    Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science
    PhD, Melbourne University 1980
    [email protected]
    http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/
    Tom Metzger
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of Pittsburgh
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
    PhD, Purdue
    Aaron Meyerowitz
    Associate Professor of Mathematics
    Florida Atlantic University
    Boca Raton, FL, USA.
    PhD, Colorado State University 1984
    [email protected]
    Stephen D. Miller
    Assistant Professor of Mathematics
    Yale University
    New Haven, CT, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1997
    [email protected]
    http://www.math.yale.edu/users/steve
    Paul Nevai
    Professor of Mathematics
    The Ohio State University
    Columbus, Ohio, USA.
    Ph.D. 1973, Academy of Sciences, Budapest
    [email protected]
    http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/
    Amos Nevo
    Department of Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1992
    Eli Passow
    Professor of Mathematics
    Temple University
    Philadelphia, PA 19122
    Ph.D., Yeshiva University, 1966
    [email protected]
    John Allen Paulos
    Professor of Mathematics
    Temple University
    Philadelphia, PA, USA.
    PhD, University of Wisconsin, 1974
    [email protected]
    http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos
    Yehuda Pinchover
    Assoicate Professor Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Hebrew University 1986
    [email protected]
    Alexander Pruss
    Department of Philosophy
    University of Pittsburgh
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
    PhD, Univ. British Columbia 1996
    [email protected]
    http://www.pitt.edu/~pruss
    Maurice Rojas
    Assistant Professor of Mathematics
    City University of Hong Kong
    Hong Kong, China.
    PhD, Berkeley 1995
    Mary Beth Ruskai
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of Massachusetts Lowell
    Lowell, MA, USA.
    PhD, Univ. of Wisconsin 1969
    Jeremy Schiff
    Senior Lecturer, Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science
    Bar-Ilan University
    Ramat Gan, Israel.
    PhD, Columbia University NY 1991
    [email protected]
    Gideon Schwarz
    Professor of Statistics
    The Hebrew University
    Jerusalem, Israel.
    PhD, Columbia University 1961
    [email protected]
    Senya Shlosman
    Professor of Mathematics
    University of California Irvine
    Irvine, CA, USA.
    PhD, Steklov Institute of Mathematics, Leningrad 1977
    [email protected]
    Barry Simon
    IBM Professor of Mathematics and Theoretical Physics and Executive Officer for Mathematics
    California Institute of Technology
    Pasadena, CA, USA.
    Member, Austrian Academy of Sciences
    PhD, Princeton 1970
    D. Sc. h. c., Technion, 1999
    [email protected]
    http://math.caltech.edu/people/simon.html
    http://wopr.com/biblecodes/
    Martha Simon
    Lecturer in Mathematics
    California State University
    Northridge, CA, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1974
    J. Laurie Snell
    Professor of Mathematics Emeritus
    Dartmouth College
    Hanover, NH, USA.
    PhD, University of Illinois 1951
    [email protected]
    http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance
    Terry Speed
    Professor of Statistics
    University of California
    Berkeley, CA, USA.
    PhD, Monash University 1969
    [email protected]
    Terence Tao
    Assistant Professor of Mathematics
    UCLA
    Los Angeles, CA, USA.
    PhD, Princeton 1996
    [email protected]
    http://www.math.ucla.edu/~tao
    Ian Wanless
    Research Fellow in Mathematics
    Christ Church, Oxford, United Kingdom.
    PhD, Australian National University 1997
    [email protected]
    Thomas Ward
    School of Mathematics
    University of East Anglia
    Norwich, England.
    [email protected]
    http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/people/tw.html
    Herbert S. Wilf
    Thomas A. Scott Professor of Mathematics
    University of Pennsylvania
    Philadelphia, PA, USA
    PhD, Columbia University 1958
    [email protected]
    http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~wilf
    Henry Wolkowicz
    Professor of Combinatorics and Optimization
    University of Waterloo
    Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
    PhD, McGill 1979
    [email protected]
    http://orion.math.uwaterloo.ca/~hwolkowi
    Abraham Wyner
    Visiting Assistant Professor of Statistics
    University of California Berkeley
    PhD, Stanford 1993
    [email protected]
    Doron Zeilberger
    Professor of Mathematics
    Temple University
    Philadelphia, PA, USA.
    PhD, Weizmann Institute of Science 1976
    [email protected]
    Yakov I. Zhitomirskii
    Professor of Mathematics
    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology
    Haifa, Israel.
    PhD, Moscow State University 1959
    [email protected]
    Who can sign?

    All the individuals whose names appear above hold PhDs in Mathematics or Statistics or are faculty members in a Department of Mathematics or Statistics at a college or university. Anyone who meets this criterion and wants to add their name to this petition should send email to Barry Simon at [email protected].
     
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    Tee hee.
    'The Omega Code' is on PAX right
    now. It is a hoot [​IMG]
    The Antichrist gets his hints
    what to do from the Bible Code
    program he stole. What the Antichrsit
    does is exactly what the
    Bible says (plainly reading
    forward) he will do [​IMG]
     

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