HP: What we have witnessed so far is a similar instance that happened to Pelagius and Augustine. Pelagius never denied the grace of God in the least, but he did not believe that grace was such as Augustine defined and used it and therefore Augustine in the seat of power condemned Pelagius for heresy. Here, I have clearly stated my belief in the virgin birth as well as the implantation of the seed into Mary via the Holy Spirit, and DHK has denied that I believe what I say I believe and has gone as far as to directly call me a heretic for denying the virgin birth, saying that ones virginity must of necessity be lost if the sperm of man is used by the Holy Spirit. He has offered absolutely no factual evidence of this claim whatsoever. To start this thread I will repost his comments and my post which went unanswered on another thread. I would invite all to participate in their ideas on this topic related to the conception and birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, born of a virgin and conceived by the Holy Spirit. Quote: HP: You have presented no end to the story. Your ideas raise far more questions than you believe they answer. You seem to hold firmly that Mary’s egg was used. You also hold firmly to the biblical notion that the Holy Spirit did the conceiving. What you have not did is show us one scintilla of evidence that the Holy Spirit did not use sperm to fertilize the egg nor why the Holy Spirit could not have used the egg. If the Holy Spirit had a direct word for this board I believe I would know of one possible message the Spirit would have for us today. I believe it would go something like this. “I am God and can fertilize the egg of Mary in any way I see fit. No man has the right to tell Me what I can and cannot use, sperm or no sperm. Who do you think you are telling God what He can and cannot do or use to impregnate the virgin Mary? By the way, I can do it any way I so desire and Mary will still be a virgin when I am finished, egg or no egg, sperm or no sperm.” The idea you seem bent on that if sperm is used it must in fact declare the loss of Mary’s virginity so limits an Infinite God that it is plainly not a viable argument in the least.