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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by evangelist6589, Sep 3, 2016.

  1. rsr

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    Only a small part of it; the main injection fluid is saltwater, which is produced in almost all energy drilling. According the U.S. Geological Survey, 10 percent of the fluid injected in Oklahoma is from fracking. While increased production from fracking may play a part, it seems more likely that most of the saltwater is coming from older wells in which the ratio of oil to saltwater is low, which requires pumping more water out of the ground to get at the oil. Many of those wells are now shut in because it doesn't make sense to go to the effort and expense with low oil prices. When oil was $100 a barrel, it was; not so much now.
     
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    Great minds think alike. (Well, that and living in Texas. Oil well capital of the world!) :D:D
     
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    Oklahoma and other oil producing areas is not what we should really be keeping an eye on. The New Madrid Fault which runs from northeast Arkansas to Tennessee, to Missouri, almost to Illinois, is long over due for a massive earthquake. That area is so unstable a major earthquake on that fault may destroy the Mississippi river valley from central Illinois all the way down to the state of Mississippi and the Ohio river valley from southern Illinois all the way to south central Ohio.

    There was a series of 7.0 or greater (probably greater, possibly much greater) magnitude earthquakes in 1811-1812, but few people were injured due to the very sparse population of the area at that time.

    But now it is densely populated industrial communities which grew up along the Mississippi/Missouri/Ohio river complex.

    The potential for disaster is horribly high. Glad I live in the far, far south of Texas. :)
     
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    I grew up in the Greater Seminole Field, where my dad worked most of his life. The landscape was dotted with old oil derricks from the days before the portable rigs were developed, and when the wind and other atmospheric conditions were right we could hear the sounds of the gas-driven pumps in the night from long distances. Back in those days, oil waste was pumped into pits and set afire, and the red glow of the fire and the black smoke could be seen for miles.
     
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    The great New Madrid quake was so powerful that it briefly caused the Mississippi to flow in reverse. But then, what if Yellowstone explodes? That would be worse than either a New Madrid quake and, perhaps, even a West Coast quake.
     
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    I have often thought of what would happen if Yellowstone erupted and triggered both San Andreas and New Madrid. Or the other way around. That would take out over half the country. :eek::eek:
     
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    Excuses excuses.... People will believe whatever they want to deny the rapture and ignore all the signs of the birth pangs.
     
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    I don't discount that God can use the instrumentality of human activity to bring his plans to fruition, but those who want to see the fulfillment of prophecy in a current spike of (relatively minor) earthquake activity are acting on their own preconceived notions about what God will or will not do or when He will do it. Truly horrific earthquakes have been a fact for thousands of years. Volcanic eruptions have altered weather patterns (probably most recently the eruption of Mount Tambor in 1815 that resulted in a virtual lack of summer, and mass starvation in Europe). Go back to AD 535 and you'll see something similar. I resist those who who want to pick out contemporary events and insist they are fulfillment of prophesy of the end days. Maybe, maybe not. God has not chosen to give us his time for the end of days, and those who think he has have been embarrassed for 2,000 years. Our mission is to occupy until he comes, whenever that is.
     
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    As a rather firm pre-trib/pre-mil person, I'm not denying the rapture. The rapture can and will occur at any moment. Thus, I'm not looking for any signs.
     
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    Yep. Just listen for sounds. When you hear the trumpet call you will know it is time. :)
     
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    There have been a lot of Christians who made absolute fools of themselves trying to guess the time of the catching away of the saints. God made it very clear "it is not for you to know the times nor the seasons."

    Every person who has picked a pet sign of the end has been made a fool of by God Himself.

    Almost 30 years ago a guy named Edgar Whisenant wrote a book entitled 88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988.

    In 1989 he wrote a pamphlet entitled 89 Reasons I was Wrong in 1988. He went to great lengths to explain that he had forgotten to factor in that there was no year "0" so the rapture would actually occur in 1989.

    In 1990 he sent out a letter which said 90 Reasons I Should Have Kept My Big Mouth Shut In 1988 and 1989. Following that was Acts 1:7 "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power" repeated 90 times.

    Don't join the ranks of the biblically embarrassed. :)

    As for signs? Matthew 12:39 "But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, but no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

    The only sign of the second coming was the first coming and His Resurrection. :)
     
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    by Gary DeMar

    The Asian quake that hit off the Indonesian island of Sumatra on December 26, 2004, was the world's fifth-largest since 1900 and the biggest since a 9.2 quake hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964. The death toll of more than 11,000 in six countries will undoubtedly rise. Prophecy writers are sure to point to this mega-quake as the sign that the “rapture” is near. They will point to Jesus’ words in the Olivet Discourse that “in various places there will be famines and earthquakes” (Matt. 24:7). How can earthquakes be a sign of the end when devastating earthquakes, even greater than this most recent one, have been recorded for thousands of years? Today's prophecy “experts” will argue that it’s the increase and magnitude of modern earthquakes that make them significant for determining that we are living in the last days. “The Lord obviously meant earthquakes of unprecedented seismological dimension.”1

    Jesus simply says that "in various places there will be famines and earthquakes" (24:7). He says nothing about an increase in their number. Luke writes, "there will be great earthquakes" (Luke 2:11). Jesus was describing signs that led up to the destruction of the temple that would take place before that first-century generation passed away (Matt. 24:33-34). Like famines (Acts 11:28), “great earthquakes” are part of the biblical historical record. Two earthquakes are mentioned in Matthew--when Jesus was crucified (27:54) and when the angel came down to roll the stone away from the tomb where Jesus was buried (28:2). This second earthquake is said to have been "severe." Acts records "a great earthquake" that shook "the foundations of the prison house" (Acts 16:26). These earthquakes occurred before the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

    Secular writers describing the period support the biblical record: “And as to earthquakes, many are mentioned by writers during a period just previous to 70 A.D. There were earthquakes in Crete, Smyrna, Miletus, Chios, Samos, Laodicea, Hierapolis, Colosse, Campania, Rome, and Judea. It is interesting to note that the city of Pompeii was much damaged by an earthquake occurring on February 5, 63 A.D."2 The number of earthquakes that were recorded during that first-century generation is staggering given the shortness of the time period. Josephus describes an earthquake in Judea of such magnitude “that the constitution of the universe was confounded for the destruction of men,”3 the same language that is being used to describe this most recent earthquake. He goes on to write that this earthquake was "no common" calamity, indicating that God Himself had brought it about for a special purpose. One commentator writes: "Perhaps no period in the world's history has ever been so marked by these convulsions as that which intervenes between the Crucifixion and the destruction of Jerusalem."4 Since the generation between A.D. 30 and 70 is past, there is no reason to attach prophetic significance to earthquakes in our day as a fulfillment of Matthew 24:7. They are not signs of the imminency of Jesus' return in our generation. But they were a prelude to the coming of Jesus in judgment upon Jerusalem in the generation of the apostles.

    Then there’s the record of recent history. On June 15, 1896, the Sanriku tsunami struck Japan without warning. A wave estimated at more than 70 feet high hit a crowd gathered to celebrate a religious festival, killing more than 26,000 people. On November 1, 1775, the great Lisbon earthquake generated a wave up to 20-feet high that struck coastal Portugal, Spain, and Morocco. With an estimated population of 275,000, Lisbon was, in 1755, one of the largest cities in Europe. It was one of the most destructive and deadly earthquakes in history, killing over 100,000 people. The quake was followed by a tsunami and fire, resulting in the near total destruction of Lisbon.

    Today’s reported earthquakes are not unique, as proven by a thorough study of the Bible and the historical record outside the Bible. The greatest student of earthquakes was a Frenchman, Count F. Montessus de Ballore. From 1885 to 1922 he devoted his time to studying and cataloging earthquakes and came to an astonishing conclusion. He cataloged 171,434 earthquakes from the earliest historic times! “The manuscript is stored in the library of the Geographical Society in Paris, where it occupies 26 meters (over 84 feet) of bookshelves.”5 As much as we might want to believe that we are the “Rapture Generation,” there is no statistical or biblical evidence to support such a contention.

    Notes:

    1. William T. James, “Daniel’s Last-Days Flood," Foreshadows of Wrath and Redemption, William T. James, gen. ed. (Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1999), 94.

    2. Marcellus Kik, Matthew Twenty-Four: An Exposition (Philadelphia, PA: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1948), 35.

    3. Quoted in Thomas Scott, The Holy Bible Containing the Old and New Testaments, According to the Authorized Version; with Explanatory Notes, Practical Observations, and Copious Marginal References, 3 vols. (New York: Collins and Hannay, 1832), 3:108.

    4. Edward Hayes Plumptre, “The Gospel According to St. Matthew,” Ellicott’s Commentary on the Whole Bible, ed. Charles John Ellicott, 8 vols. (London: Cassell and Company, 1897), 6:146.

    5. Carl Olof Jonsson and Wolfgang Herbst, The "Sign" of the Last Days.When? (Atlanta, GA: Commentary Press, 1987), 78.
     
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    Actually, high-pressure wastewater disposal wells. If fracking has any effect, it would be to reduce earthquakes. It's simple geology.
     
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    The bottom is going to fall right out from under, me!
     
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    Time to move! :D
     
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    *****Ahem*****

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    Yep. And there will be more money makers and best sellers after that one.
     
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