The Blood of Christ

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  1. jbh28

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    We would all agree that the shed blood of Jesus Christ is very important.

    Hebrews 9:22 "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."

    The was something mentioned in another thread about the blood of Christ. Was there anything different about the physical properties of Jesus' blood compared to the rest of our blood? Did Jesus have any special divine blood or did Jesus have human blood?
    So, here we go. Fire away. (in a nice way though!)
     
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    Real blood, just like mine.
     
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    I agree with you totally.
     
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    Sure. John said that any spirit that denies that Christ came in the flesh is the spirit of anti-Christ.
     
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    Strange you should ask that question. Just earlier tonight I was thinking to myself, if Jesus hadn't been killed, would he have died a natural death, seeing that He was sinless? Kind of along the same line of thought as the OP.
     
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    Well if he hadn't been killed then He wouldn't have been Christ, thus He would have been a normal man and died a normal death.

    I just love playing with counter-factuals. :)
     
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    And you know this how? :laugh:

    I know He had to die because it was God's plan, but for the sake of asking stupid questions :tongue3:, Jesus wouldn't have been under the curse of death would He? He did not inherit it the way that we have.

    Dumb and unanswerable question, but it's late and my mind works in weird ways. :laugh:
     
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    Like you say, its unanswerable. Not enough details given.

    Whats more interesting to me is why don't Enoch and Elijah die since they inherited death the same as we :)
     
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    I think they were transformed in the same way that those who are raptured will be. They won't actually die, but they'll be transformed in the air. If you don't believe in the rapture....well....I got nothin'. :laugh:
     
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    Most of Christendom believes Christ was 100% God and 100% man. The 100% man part usually is in reference to his physical body and would suggest he had normal human blood and would have had a normal human lifespan.
     
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    Thank you jbh28; This is an opportunity for me to learn about this subject.

    I have never discussed this subject with anyone, but I have read some who say, that The Lord’s blood could not have been from Mary(but from God), because it would have made Jesus a sinner from birth.

    And I have read others, who say that the Lord’s blood had to have been exactly like ours, in order for Him to have fulfilled the need for Him to have been a man, who was able to have been tempted, yet remain without sin.

    Also, I have read others, who say that Jesus’ blood was unique, because he had no human father, therefore his blood would have been missing some kind of chromosome or something.
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    One part of me, tells me that the answer to this question is of vital importance, while another part of me, reminds me that if it was important, than the Bible would have made it clear.

    The LORD gives us so many details, about all the other important doctrines in His Word, certainly He would have made this clear, if it was all that important.

    Has anyone found any specific Scripture, that nails this down?
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    A Scripture that caught my eye years ago as a young Christian, throws an interesting monkey wrench into this discussion.......
    Luke 24:39
    “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”

    Of course, the Lord at this time had a glorified body and had already taken the remainder of his blood to heaven and placed it on the heavenly alter.........
    John 20:17
    “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

    &
    Heb 9:11,12
    V.11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
    V.12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


    Now that I think about it, could Jesus’ blood have been human and also able to be taken into the Holy place in heaven?!?
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    I am looking forward to nailing down some answers.
     
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    Yup - No problem here at all
     
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    I have heard that sin is transfered thru genetics - specifically thur the father. Since Jesus did not have a human father, he did not inherit the "sin" gene. That means he was human like Adam - thus would not have experienced physical death naturally unless he sinned.

    thats the best I got folks.

    Salty, DFI

    (Doctor of Far fetched Ideals)
     
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    Be careful not to confuse speculation with what Scripture actually says (or does not say).

    Scripture never says anything like that. The whole idea that sin is passed through genetics/blood/semen/whatever isn't found in Scripture. Its an assumption or speculation which some have. Insisting on such a conclusion would be unwarranted. We simply don't know.

    Now, while there is no good reason to believe He didn't have perfectly normal blood, there is no evidence from Scripture that it is doctrinally necessary either. Just Scripturally unsupported speculation in the other direction.

    Now this sort of conclusion is not only unsupported by Scripture, its absurd. God couldn't have created fully human chromosomes from nothing? Now they are just arguing what God can or can't have done based on "scientific" limitations. One might as well say that Christ couldn't have existed because he had no human father. Bah!

    Here we can come to a fairly solid conclusion: Since Scripture neither tells us nor gives us any real clue to the matter, even if its vital we can conclude that its not vital for us to know. Some may find it interesting to speculate (although, for me, the lack of ANY sort of clues in Scripture makes even that pointless), but if one goes beyond what Scripture actually says they have gone way too far and their conclusions should be taken with a truck of salt.

    Be careful, thats on the right track but not a fully sound conclusion. Say rather that all we can conclude is that its not important for us to know (even if the answer is vitally important...or not).

    There is none.

    Where does Scripture say anything about Christ's blood being placed on a heavenly altar? Much less all of it in a literal sense? Or that there is even an heavenly altar?

    Why not? There is nothing unholy about human blood for one. I can't even see where you are getting this idea of "being taken into the Holy place in heaven" to begin with.


    In the end, the best we have is the conclusion which Occam's razor would suggest - that the simplest explanation is the best one, that Christ had "normal" human blood. But one should not even be dogmatic about this either.
     
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    Both the idea of a "sin gene", that sin is transfered thru genetics, much less through the father is speculation not supported by Scripture.
     
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    Perhaps I'm guilty of overemphasizing His deity over His humanity, but this statement is how I've looked at Christ. For instance, I don't believe the cross killed Him, He gave up the ghost. I believe He could still be hanging on that cross today if He so willed it.

    I've often wondered what all is entailed in this statement from Paul, “...and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh....” [Col 1:24]. What was lacking in the afflictions of Christ? I know He experienced hunger and I'm sure He became physically tired and sleepy as us, but do you think He ever became physically sick, like with a cold or the flu or measles or whatever other ailments afflicted folks back then in that locale?

    I do believe that because He was directly the Son of God and was sinless that there was indeed a physical difference between Him and the rest of us, whether that included something in His blood or not I don't know.
     
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    Originally posted by stilllearning:
    Heb 9:11
    This word "tabernacle" is also used by Paul of the temporary body given those who have died and are now in the presence of Christ.
    In both cases, the new body is "made without hands" and so surely indicates there is a body-life principle, apart from blood, that will
    house our souls unto all "eternity in heaven". 2 Cor.5:1.

    Several problems here. ONE, these bodies are not yet "resurrected". So I don't know why they are described as being "eternal in the heavens".
    Yet they are given "robes" and later dress in "fine linen for the wedding of the Lamb". Rev.6:11; Rev.19:8. Perhaps they are designated as "eternal"
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    refer to our souls being eternal. In that sense the tabernacles in which they are "clothed" may also be considered as eternal, yet "pre-resurrected".

    TWO, it could be argued that, "the greater and more perfect tabernacle" to which Heb.9:11 refers may be that mentioned in Heb.8:2 as the "true
    tabernacle (sanctuary) which the Lord pitched, not man". In that case, the tabernacle in Heb.9:11 is not referring to Christ's own resurrected body;
    but rather to the heavenly Temple which is made up of the Body of Christ.

    THREE, I have no idea as to the body-life-principle that will be maintained forever by those who survive to the end of the Millennium and yet
    who will be designated as "sheep nations" at the end of the Millennium and that inherit the eternal Kingdom on earth...the eternal Davidic Kingdom
    that is promised in Ezek.37:24-28. My reason for another life-principle is the requirement that they must "be healed by eating the leaves of the tree of life"
    during the Millennium as well as throughout eternity. Ezek.47:12; Rev.21:24-26; Rev.22:2,14. [I know some translations have Book of Life instead of
    Tree of Life in Rev.22:14; but the requirement remains that the Kings of Earth must be forever "healed by the leaves of the Tree of Life"].

    My point is that, while "flesh and blood" will not characterize the life-principle of our resurrected bodies, both the temporary "tabernacles" of those who
    die in the Lord while their bodies "sleep" in their graves; and the eternal bodies
    of those who rule as the Kings of Earth (under David in the eternal Davidic Kingdom) must also have bodies that may be identified as being of "flesh and bones";
    but not of "flesh and blood" according to I Cor.15:50.
    Mel Miller
     
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    Good morning dwmoeller1

    I said........
    Then you said........
    Here is what the Bible says about human blood........
    1 Corinthians 15:50
    “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
     
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    RE: The blood of Christ…

    He purchased the Church with His blood.

    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    We are justified through His blood.

    Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    We have redemption and forgiveness of sin through His blood.

    Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    We are brought near to God by His blood.

    Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

    We have peace with God through His blood

    Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

    We serve the living God through His blood.

    Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    We enter the Holy of holies by the blood of Christ.

    Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

    His blood is the basis of the New Covenant

    Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    We are sanctified by the blood of Christ.

    Hebrews 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

    The New Covenant is made eternal by the blood of Christ.

    Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

    The blood of Christ is precious.

    1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    The blood of Christ cleanses of all sin.

    1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Our sins are washed away in the blood of Christ.

    Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
     
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    Thanks Hank, I saved that to file.
     
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